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post #21 of 42 Old 10-20-2011, 02:58 PM Thread Starter
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This is not a species I am personally familiar with, but it seems quite a beauty. Small, just over an inch max, and from what I can find probably a good community fish. It does not seem to be a surface fish in the same way as the hatchetfish; preferring the upper half of the water means it will remain in the middle-to higher area. My Hemigrammus pulcher (which resembles this newer species) does this. My hatchets are above them.

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I really did like the look of the Hemigrammus pulcher as well. I suppose I need to decide on one or the other though if they are at the same level. Things would seem crowded with both right? I'll think it over although the kitty tetra might be the favorite simply because there is this amazing fish store not too far away and they are carried there. I really need to stop looking things up because I keep finding more options. lol
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I really did like the look of the Hemigrammus pulcher as well. I suppose I need to decide on one or the other though if they are at the same level. Things would seem crowded with both right? I'll think it over although the kitty tetra might be the favorite simply because there is this amazing fish store not too far away and they are carried there. I really need to stop looking things up because I keep finding more options. lol
I would certainly get a group of those if I ever found them locally. In your 40g, a group of 8-9 would be nice. Both species could be mixed, but you are limited in space. H. pulcher grows a bit larger, mine are in my 115g and I would not want them in a tank under 4-feet length, they like to swim but not so actively that they bother the others.

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I would certainly get a group of those if I ever found them locally. In your 40g, a group of 8-9 would be nice. Both species could be mixed, but you are limited in space. H. pulcher grows a bit larger, mine are in my 115g and I would not want them in a tank under 4-feet length, they like to swim but not so actively that they bother the others.
Thank you. That decision was pretty easy then. I checked the website of the petstore but sadly they don't ship outside of the continental US. I can still send you the link if you want for whatever reason. Are the black phantom and Robert's tetras less active simmers than the H. pulcher?
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Thank you. That decision was pretty easy then. I checked the website of the petstore but sadly they don't ship outside of the continental US. I can still send you the link if you want for whatever reason. Are the black phantom and Robert's tetras less active simmers than the H. pulcher?
Yes to the swimming question. Having had these together in my 115g, the H. bentosi and H. megalopterus tend to remain under cover; they do not light overhead light. They swim around, males displaying to each other (quite a beautiful sight with both species) under the leaves of laerge swords. H. pulcher by contrast are always out front and centre, mid-tank, swimming back and forth, males displaying, courting females, chase one another a bit. But nothing too active by comparison to danio or barbs. They only "hide" when I am in the tank crashing about.

Post the link, I might as well drool a bit.

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The website needs updated a bit since as you can see there's a lot of out of stocks. For a lfs though? Yeah I consider myself lucky.
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Still tinkering since my first fishless cycle is a pain (today was the first day with a nitrite drop so fingers crossed/knock on wood that's it's almost over). Anyway I made a few changes/have some space so I thought I'd run things by everyone again.

The characins- I'm thinking of going with just two shoals. I also leave the lid open for my Amazon frogbit since I don't use CO2 so that sadlyrules out the hatchetfish.

Catfish-I keep hearing panda corys are hard to keep so I'm replacing them in my plan.

The plan:
10 Hyphessbrycon heliacus
8 H. bentosi
5 Corydoras trilineatus
5 C. melanistius (provided the link I posted before actually has them and not the C delphax they have pictured)

That probably leaves me with some room. So what to do with it? I could increase the numbers of each shoal or add some sort of centerpiece fish (keyhole cichlid, bolivian ram, cockatoo dwarf cichlid). I also have 36"X18" of floor space so I might be able to add a BN as well if algae is ever a problem (more finger crossing) although I'd much rather have as many corys as I can. So any thoughts? I guess it boils down to centerpiece vs no centerpiece.
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Still tinkering since my first fishless cycle is a pain (today was the first day with a nitrite drop so fingers crossed/knock on wood that's it's almost over). Anyway I made a few changes/have some space so I thought I'd run things by everyone again.

The characins- I'm thinking of going with just two shoals. I also leave the lid open for my Amazon frogbit since I don't use CO2 so that sadlyrules out the hatchetfish.

Catfish-I keep hearing panda corys are hard to keep so I'm replacing them in my plan.

The plan:
10 Hyphessbrycon heliacus
8 H. bentosi
5 Corydoras trilineatus
5 C. melanistius (provided the link I posted before actually has them and not the C delphax they have pictured)

That probably leaves me with some room. So what to do with it? I could increase the numbers of each shoal or add some sort of centerpiece fish (keyhole cichlid, bolivian ram, cockatoo dwarf cichlid). I also have 36"X18" of floor space so I might be able to add a BN as well if algae is ever a problem (more finger crossing) although I'd much rather have as many corys as I can. So any thoughts? I guess it boils down to centerpiece vs no centerpiece.
No real problems I can see. If you go with pairs of any cichlid, they will spawn and spawning cichlids do not like corys. Corys will find the eggs at night, or the fry.

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No real problems I can see. If you go with pairs of any cichlid, they will spawn and spawning cichlids do not like corys. Corys will find the eggs at night, or the fry.
I had heard about the cichlids getting aggressive with the corys too. I was thinking just one cichlid. The spawning would be grea to see but I don't know where I would take the fry when they grew up or what to do with the fish that didn't pair.
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I had heard about the cichlids getting aggressive with the corys too. I was thinking just one cichlid. The spawning would be grea to see but I don't know where I would take the fry when they grew up or what to do with the fish that didn't pair.
I can't speak from personal experience to keyhole cichlid spawning/fry survival, but with the other two species in a community tank and esp with substrate or nocturnal fish you will not likely see fry surviving. I have had Mikrogeophagus ramirezi, M. altispinosus, and Apistogramma baenschi all spawn frequently, but only two fry from the latter's first spawn ever survived. Sometimes the eggs were eaten at night, other times the fry got ambushed. With Apistogramma I think having male/female is best; some species are better as a pair, others as a harem. With M. altispinosus, a single fish works best unless the pair have bonded from a group; same with M. ramirezi. Males will not always accept "any" female.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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I can't speak from personal experience to keyhole cichlid spawning/fry survival, but with the other two species in a community tank and esp with substrate or nocturnal fish you will not likely see fry surviving. I have had Mikrogeophagus ramirezi, M. altispinosus, and Apistogramma baenschi all spawn frequently, but only two fry from the latter's first spawn ever survived. Sometimes the eggs were eaten at night, other times the fry got ambushed. With Apistogramma I think having male/female is best; some species are better as a pair, others as a harem. With M. altispinosus, a single fish works best unless the pair have bonded from a group; same with M. ramirezi. Males will not always accept "any" female.
My only experience with cichlids was having angelfish as a kid. I didn't breed them but I know it's typical to buy six or so juvenils, wait for a pair to form and remove the rest. I'm guessing the Mikrogeophagus species both need something similar done. I'm not even considering M. ramirezi though because of their difficulty, although in truth I do love the long-finned variety.

I'm definitely liking Apistogramma cacatuoides. If I got them I wouldn't mind the fry being eaten (sorry if that sounds cruel). I had just read that Apistos have been known to blind some Corydoras. It's always been a blanket statement though in regards to the whole genus. I don't know if the meant this species in particular or some of the more agressive ones. Given my tank size what would be a good mix, numberwise between the corys and cockatoos?
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