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Old 03-02-2008, 07:53 AM   #11
 
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there isnt really a set amount of substrate that you should put in. some tanks dont have any at all. plus you can arrange the substrate to have hills, so there could be 4'' in some places and 2'' in another. as long as there is enough for the plants to put their roots in you should be okay.
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Old 03-02-2008, 08:24 AM   #12
 
Ouch

This is probably forbidden, but I found this substrate calculator on another forum...http://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html
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Old 03-03-2008, 08:19 PM   #13
 
No that's pretty cool and just about right. It was a little high on the weight. It said for a 55g to use 96lbs of Eco-Complete. What I used is the exact same as Eco-Complete and I used 82 lbs withe 3-4 inch bed.
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Old 03-03-2008, 10:05 PM   #14
 
The amount of substrate, using weight as a guide is all relative to the basic weight of the material. Lava rock weighs much less that red flint gravel. 1# of the lava has a volume much higher than that same weight of a heavier stone. The weight guide is, therefore, essentially worthless. It does give one an idea of how much is needed.

Depth should not exceed 3" average for the greater portion of the aquarium. This is especially true when using a ugf. Water, simply, cannot pass thru that depth of gravel. Add to the fact, that the shear weight of the substrate at a 5" depth causes compaction and dead spots in the bacteria bed from lack of oxygen and circulation. This could cause deadly methane gas buildup, kills fish and can explode.

Turtleman said he used a 50-50 mixture of Eco-Complete and Flourite. I questioned this in one of his previous threads. It is a redundancy. Eco-Complete is a stand alone product, meaning that the product is used just by itself. Flourite can either be mixed with gravel or used by itself. Mixing the two doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Just additional cost and labor. The least expensive would be a 50-50 flourite/gravel mix. Another item that on can add is laterite. I don't have alot of experience in using it, I only have it in one tank. That was an experiemental tank and another product out performed it. Just too lazy(and cheap) to change it.

It was also noted that when adding water to the tank, it became very cloudy. Some cloudiness will appear because of the fine particulates from the gravel(gravel dust). This can be minimized by first washing the gravel thoroughly prior to placing it in the aquarium. It's truly a mess if you don't. Since you already have gravel, you may want to use the Flourite, it comes in red and red/black blend. If you have a funky color that won't match and have to change gravel, I suggest the Eco-Complete. Your tank, if already cycled, may go through another "mini-cycle", though.
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Old 03-04-2008, 07:44 AM   #15
 
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Depth should not exceed 3" average for the greater portion of the aquarium. This is especially true when using a ugf. Water, simply, cannot pass thru that depth of gravel. Add to the fact, that the shear weight of the substrate at a 5" depth causes compaction and dead spots in the bacteria bed from lack of oxygen and circulation. This could cause deadly methane gas buildup, kills fish and can explode.
I guess I pretty much disagree with everything you posted here. I'm doing it and my tank did not explode! Who's text are you quoting and what publication are you referring to when you say "Depth should not exceed 3"?


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Turtleman said he used a 50-50 mixture of Eco-Complete and Flourite. I questioned this in one of his previous threads. It is a redundancy. Eco-Complete is a stand alone product, meaning that the product is used just by itself. Flourite can either be mixed with gravel or used by itself. Mixing the two doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Again, I think this is just your personal opinion. There's no scientific reason behind what you are saying. I know others who have this mixture and it is working exceptionally well. You can fill the 3" to 5" of substrate any way you want to. You don't have to use just one kind of substrate just because it say that it can be used as a stand alone.
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Old 03-04-2008, 12:11 PM   #16
 
Just out of curiosity..if you knew this info then why ask? What herefishy says is correct. Do the research if you don't believe us.
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Old 03-04-2008, 03:12 PM   #17
 
Well I apparently can't comment on this anymore because if I disagree with Mr. Herefishy, he locks the thread. Sorry but I don't think that his advice was correct in my particular situation.

Incidentally, I have done a significant amount of research and I can show you plenty of articles that say 4", 5" & even 6" of substrate can be used toward the back and tapered down to 3" in the front.

If I can't disagree with someone then I'll probably be better off on one of the other forums anyway.
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:04 PM   #18
 
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If you don't mind, would you please give us some links to the information on the depth of the substrate? While many have the way they do things the hobby is always changing and new relevant information is always useful.

Thank you,

Kate :)
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:47 PM   #19
 
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If I can't disagree with someone then I'll probably be better off on one of the other forums anyway.
No not at all. Please don't take what I said that way, that's not how it was meant at all. I guess I was trying to say what Kate said..I'm just not as diplomatic as the mods.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:58 PM   #20
 
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I have read both of these threads and all I have to say is this is stupid.

This hobby is all opinion, and experience. The two may not always co-inside but they are always the 2 main factors. There is so many variables in this hobby, that there is no real "right way" to do something, just some that are better then others. All day i hear well i did this in my tank and it worked great, well someone else will come back with - thats stupid it will cause more problems then its worth. Water Supply, Water Chemistry, Fish instincts, fish personality, and even random occurence and events all play a part of it. Some people have success "braking the rules" some people do not. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE TO ARGUE.

Simply put the OP was simply looking for input on a substrate choice, not an argument on who has the best way of doing it.

Get your facts from a number of sources and choose the way that best suits you. Heck of your curious try your own way, it might not work out but at least youll have a good bank of experience from it.

thats my two cents.

As for your question -

Depth wize i would stick to 3inches - for two reasons. There is the very real threat of anerobic pockets and methane pockets. one of our members actually had this happen and it killed many of his prized plecos last year.

the second reason, maintenance is alot easier with less gravel.

as for substrate choice if your changing it or adding more.

I too have the same problem i am using sand and its not a great substrate for plants. many people have turned me towards Eco-complete, and many will tell you this substrate is not all that its cracked up to be. i personally have gone with it in a smaller ten gallon tank and yet to have seen anything spectacular out of it - but it does get the job done.

Fluorite i have never tried it - its pretty much an economical eco-complete is the best way to put it. tho not nearly as nutrient rich and balanced it will still do a good job.

My suggestion would be - pick the substrate you like best esthetically, and work from there. any substrate with a little work can be changed into a nutrient rich base for a wonderful eco-garden.

my two cents.

P.S Turtleman - just because you do not like someones advice - does not mean you should publicly de-nonce it. you went a different way - good for you, two completely opposite paths can still lead to the same ending though.
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