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New fish owner seeks advice on tank set up!
Old 04-05-2009, 09:35 AM   #11
 
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Adding more de- ammonia stuff will not hurt, but if I have fish not acting healthy, I do a water changes. Clean water is the best meds for you fish.
Hopefully he is just sad and lonely. Keep us posted on the test results.
I added a bit more, in the hopes that it might help. He seems more interested in the pea now (I squished it so he could hopefully get more in his mouth, what with not having any teeth and all), and seems a bit calmer. The fish store doesn't open until noon, but considering the tank water is new as of a day ago, and that I hadn't fed the fish until a couple of minutes ago, I don't think new water would help in this case. I could be wrong though!

Thank you all for your help
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:29 AM   #12
 
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No, I do not think there would be high ammonia after only one day either.
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:32 AM   #13
 
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No, I do not think there would be high ammonia after only one day either.
I wouldn't have assumed so, except that apparently the Minneapolis City Water is generally high in ammonia right off the bat (which is why I'll be getting filtered water from the fish store or grocery store hence-forth). He seems to have calmed down quite a bit, and ate a bunch of the pea, so I'll calm down for now and get hte water tested when the store opens.

So stressful, these first few weeks are!
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Old 04-05-2009, 02:05 PM   #14
 
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Thanks all for the advice! Unfortunately, I lost the Shubunkin ("Jack") last night, presumably due to the somewhat unhappy state he had been in in the previous tank. However, the Black Moor is now exhibiting odd, somewhat erratic behavior, and doesn't seem interested in eating the shelled/cooked pea I put in there for him. I'm worried that by the time the fish store opens and I can get the water tested (and the water testing kit, as recommended by Twistersmom), the fish will be gone. I realize somewhat morbidly that this would be an excellent time to cycle the tank fishless, but I'd really like to save the poor guy. I guess without a test kit, all I can do is hope (unless y'all think it would be OK to add some more de-ammonia stuff?)
The previous advice was good, but as you're problem is what to do with the fish now in the tank, there is only one thing to do--buy a bottle of "Cycle" and add it according to the label instructions. You can't overdose anyway. This contains live nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria and I can assure you it works to get the tank bacteria established very fast, because they already are there in the bottle. It does relieve the stress on fish.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:30 AM   #15
 
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you're being taken care of,so.........
i'd just like to say hello and welcome,
it can be a stressfull time at the begining,however it will sort it's self out,
and you'll be swimming along(pun intended)just fine.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:38 AM   #16
 
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In my view, water changes with dechlorinator such as PRIME or AMQUEL+ are needed to keep ammonia levels from becoming toxic to your fish. Not all water conditioners are the same . Some deal with chlorine and others claim to address chloramines which is chlorine /ammonia. They remove the chlorine but leave the ammonia for biological filter (bacteria) to break down but in a new tank there is seldom enough biological bacteria to do this.Do yourself a favor and purchase a dechlorinator that clearly says that it detoxifys AMMONIA,CHLORINE,and CHLORAMINES. The two mentioned are very good at this with PRIME being the choice of many. There are also many products that claim to help kick start the biological process in aquariums. Some are more useful than others but Fish stores are keen on recommending them. My own expieriences with these products were inconsistent. It was also suggested to reduce feeding. This is very good advice for any uneaten food that falls to the bottom of the tank ,will begin to decay and increase the ammonia levels in the tank.Feeding once every two days and only as much as you actually see the fish eat,, would be desireable until the aquarium has matured or (cycled) . The fish will not starve and it will help keep ammonia levels manageable. The API freshwater master kit was also recommended and I agree. The test kits that use strips of paper are notoriously inaccurate. Do you know for certain that tapwater contains ammonia or was this news courtesy of the fish store before they recommended the ammonia reducing stuff (what is this?). If you have ammonia from tap,, then the proper water conditioner becomes even more important for besides the ammonia produced by all fish,,you will be adding it with water changes and it becomes important to have the proper conditioner. I might also,, Were it me,(and it ain't) consider purchasing a small inexpensive rubbermaid tub and a filter for this tub along with a small heater(Iknow,More money) if indeed, you have ammonia in tapwater ,and depending at what levels. (see test kit) In this way,, You could fill the tub with tapwater and place the filter and heater in the tub and the ammonia in tapwater would cycle the tub over time, so that you would have a source of water that biological process has rendered safe for the fish ,and would not need to purchase water from elsewhere. Simply add a little conditioner (to be safe) to this water before using it for water changes. Wouldn't be necessary to treat it until then. Hope some of this helps

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Old 04-06-2009, 09:12 PM   #17
 
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I went and got a chemical test kit. It turns out that the tap water by itself has 1.5mg/l of ammonia in it, so I'll be heading over to Cub to grab some filtered water hopefully tomorrow morning to to a somewhat aggressive water change (I'm thinking 40-60%). I added some AMQUEL+ to the mix and I'll re-test the tank tomorrow morning. Hopefully the fishy will make it through this troublesome time :/

So stressful!
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:44 AM   #18
 
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Sorry to hear you have ammonia from the tap! What a bummer.
I have not used filtered water in my tanks, so I am not the best to give advice on this. I would test the filtered water to compare the ph levels to your own. Sudden changes in ph can be hard on the fish.
If there is a big difference, not sure what you should do. Maybe smaller more frquent water changes adding the new water.
Hope the Amquel will remove it for you.
Maybe someone with your same problem will post what they do. Good luck!
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:50 AM   #19
 
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I think 1077 gave us the answer to this problem. Use a water conditioner that will remove the ammonia from the tap water before/as it goes in to the tank during the water change. That seems better, as it means you can use the tap water which is going to be far more practical than buying special water. And the issue raised by Twistersmom is also prudent, you have to watch out for other differences in the purchased water. Better to stick with what is readily and always available, that you know, and treat it with the conditioner.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:53 AM   #20
 
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I've prepared some new water for a water change, and added the AMQUEL+ at slightly higher than the recommended dose (as it's made to remove 1.2mg/l, and the tap water by itself is 1.5mg/l!). I'll test it when I get home.

Wish me luck!
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