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Old 06-27-2012, 08:07 PM   #11
 
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Okay thats what i thought it had to be cleaned, what is a good method for cleaning the sand without making tuns of a mess? And how long is clean time half a day or a hour or so depending?
I rinse about 3-4 cups at a time in a pail. Takes about 6 rinsings. It seems to work better in small quantities. You can do this outside with a hose. Sand can get down sinks and clog them.

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I just liked the look of the rock thought it was pretty neat.. but no i'm not changing on the fish as i already own the juvenile convicts and jack dempsey so for sure the 3 fish will be going in the tank. What i put with them is unknown besides im pretty set on a blood red parrot fish when the tank is up and going. Will there be more then that.. yea most deff. You suggest a sandy wooded tank? will wood provide the hidding places needed like some rocks with caves can? Also you said bogwood is a good choice how about african driftwood? https://www.azgardens.com/p-229-larg...driftwood.aspx
Don't know that wood, it looks nice, but it is expensive. Many of us use Malaysian Driftwood which is carried by several fish stores, Petsmart included. Should be less expensive. The rock for caves is fine, considering the fish you are intending. Be careful.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:49 AM   #12
 
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I rinse about 3-4 cups at a time in a pail. Takes about 6 rinsings. It seems to work better in small quantities. You can do this outside with a hose. Sand can get down sinks and clog them.
Thanks for the info/tip couldnt find it at my local home depot(Quikrete) But luckly my Lowes has it and my cousin just happens to work there so discount on the bags so went from around $4.90 a bag down to $2 even lol so thansk again byron you saves me $50-100 in sand :D 1 thing though, dont sand need to be mixed around to release gasses every now and then? And there is suppose to be some sort of snail/clam that digs through sand correct? What would be the best to keep the sand moveing around?

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Don't know that wood, it looks nice, but it is expensive. Many of us use Malaysian Driftwood which is carried by several fish stores, Petsmart included. Should be less expensive. The rock for caves is fine, considering the fish you are intending. Be careful.
Yea i thought it was a bit pricey myself but god some of the pices look absolute beautiful! but as you said a bit of money when the Malaysian is MUCH MORE cheaper and comes in packs of 3 or more for the price. When it comes to the wood though i have read a lot about the wood leaking its color into the tank and people ending up with blowish water and ahving to keep doing water changes. Is that true? and if so what steps can be taken to get all the color that would leach out of it out befor adding it to the tank?
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:59 PM   #13
 
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Thanks for the info/tip couldnt find it at my local home depot(Quikrete) But luckly my Lowes has it and my cousin just happens to work there so discount on the bags so went from around $4.90 a bag down to $2 even lol so thansk again byron you saves me $50-100 in sand :D 1 thing though, dont sand need to be mixed around to release gasses every now and then? And there is suppose to be some sort of snail/clam that digs through sand correct? What would be the best to keep the sand moveing around?
With plants rooted in the substrate there is no issue with compaction, especially with Malaysian Livebearing Snails. But without substrate-rooted plants, poking the sand a bit at the weekly water change won't hurt. The MLS do a great job of burrowing throughout the substrate.


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Yea i thought it was a bit pricey myself but god some of the pices look absolute beautiful! but as you said a bit of money when the Malaysian is MUCH MORE cheaper and comes in packs of 3 or more for the price. When it comes to the wood though i have read a lot about the wood leaking its color into the tank and people ending up with blowish water and ahving to keep doing water changes. Is that true? and if so what steps can be taken to get all the color that would leach out of it out befor adding it to the tank?
All wood releases tannins and this is what discolours the water. While most of us prefer not looking into a tank with discoloured water, it is totally harmless to fish and plants, and in fact quite natural for soft water forest fish. But, tannin release is usually higher initially when the wood is first put in water; different types of wood can be more or less tannic. As the wood ages, the tannin leeching is less and less. With Malaysian Driftwood, I find that a good soak in a bucket of water that is changed periodically, for a week or so, or even boiling if you can fit the wood into a pot, will get out the bulk of tannin quickly. I never notice it now, and i have a lot of wood in all my tanks.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:33 PM   #14
 
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Ty byron you have been a GREAT deal of help, i ahve had a 60set up befor but was younger and all i kept in it was some gravel and a oscer lol now that im a bit older and understand a bit more(lol) I would rather ask 50mil questions and do it right the first time.

On the sand note im having 250lbs dropped off in the morning from my cousin... i know its a lot but not all going in 1 tank, im thinking 2 bags in my 60 im going to switch gravel out of my community to sand for better plant care(in time) and also a extra 100 or less to go to my snake(i know off topic but hell its cheap enough!) So you really did save me a good amount of money i was thinking i was going to ahve to spend $100 at least on one 60g tank lol. Over all you have gave me perfect info for my sand and decore set up! and asgain thank you very much. my next steap at i hope the end of next week is to drain clean and bring my tank in and start the cycle.

Now on the cycle i have read around that i can "speed" the cycle up but taking a already going tank and useing my media to spread the beneficial bacteria faster... is this true?
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:58 AM   #15
 
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Ty byron you have been a GREAT deal of help, i ahve had a 60set up befor but was younger and all i kept in it was some gravel and a oscer lol now that im a bit older and understand a bit more(lol) I would rather ask 50mil questions and do it right the first time.

On the sand note im having 250lbs dropped off in the morning from my cousin... i know its a lot but not all going in 1 tank, im thinking 2 bags in my 60 im going to switch gravel out of my community to sand for better plant care(in time) and also a extra 100 or less to go to my snake(i know off topic but hell its cheap enough!) So you really did save me a good amount of money i was thinking i was going to ahve to spend $100 at least on one 60g tank lol. Over all you have gave me perfect info for my sand and decore set up! and asgain thank you very much. my next steap at i hope the end of next week is to drain clean and bring my tank in and start the cycle.

Now on the cycle i have read around that i can "speed" the cycle up but taking a already going tank and useing my media to spread the beneficial bacteria faster... is this true?
In the aquarium, I would aim for about 2 inches sand depth overall. This can be sloped a bit to have it slightly deeper at the back for the larger plants like swords. But around 2 to 2.5 inches overall is sufficient.

On the cycling, if live plants are in the tank from the first there will be no problem with cycling. Some fast growing plants (stem plants, and especially floating plants) will assimilate all the ammonia and you won't even see a "cycle" with tests, and the fish won't either. Once planted, a few fish and off you go.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:44 PM   #16
 
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On the cycling, if live plants are in the tank from the first there will be no problem with cycling. Some fast growing plants (stem plants, and especially floating plants) will assimilate all the ammonia and you won't even see a "cycle" with tests, and the fish won't either. Once planted, a few fish and off you go.
Thats what i was thinking on doing on my 60 to help it cycle faster. will the fish dig it up at one point? prob from what you all say :P But sounds like the best way to go with some smaller fish untill the 60 sets up correct, I seen zebra daniosare what most people use but what can be used besides them? Also whats a safe ammount to add in while the tank cycles with plants 4-6? thanks again m8
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:16 PM   #17
 
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Thats what i was thinking on doing on my 60 to help it cycle faster. will the fish dig it up at one point? prob from what you all say :P But sounds like the best way to go with some smaller fish untill the 60 sets up correct, I seen zebra daniosare what most people use but what can be used besides them? Also whats a safe ammount to add in while the tank cycles with plants 4-6? thanks again m8
Sorry, i had forgotten this is the tank with large cichlids. Forget flimsy stem plants and substrate-rooted plants for that matter. As I mentinoed previously, floating plants work well, both as "plants" in such tanks and when "cycling."

Never acquire fish just to cycle, unless you want them in the tank permanently. There are many fish that will be fine in a new setup provided there are plants sufficient to handle the ammonia.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:51 PM   #18
 
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Never acquire fish just to cycle, unless you want them in the tank permanently. There are many fish that will be fine in a new setup provided there are plants sufficient to handle the ammonia.
Hehe i woulndt be that cruel i was thinking on some smaller fish to do it then move them into a a think its a 10 or 15g tank that i have. My plane was to use smaller fish to cycle the 60g then put them into the 10(or 15) tank for my kids room. Found her a spongbob squarepants decor kit so i think she would get a real kick out of the smaller fish and that set up(she was gettign my community but she fell in love witht he spongebob stuff) So to answer you they will only be used to cycle then back into a wonderfull home :) So would the Zebra Dino be good in say a 6pack if i move them to that smaller tank?(sorry i know off this topic but as you said i dont want to just use them for cycleing then get ride of them) thanks again m8
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:47 AM   #19
 
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Hehe i woulndt be that cruel i was thinking on some smaller fish to do it then move them into a a think its a 10 or 15g tank that i have. My plane was to use smaller fish to cycle the 60g then put them into the 10(or 15) tank for my kids room. Found her a spongbob squarepants decor kit so i think she would get a real kick out of the smaller fish and that set up(she was gettign my community but she fell in love witht he spongebob stuff) So to answer you they will only be used to cycle then back into a wonderfull home :) So would the Zebra Dino be good in say a 6pack if i move them to that smaller tank?(sorry i know off this topic but as you said i dont want to just use them for cycleing then get ride of them) thanks again m8
A 10g is not sufficient space for any danio species; they are active swimmers and as they also must have a group of 6 or more, a larger tank is better. The profile suggests a 24-inch tank as minimum, so a 15g long or a 20g, but I would not myself use less than a 30-inch tank for this fish. I don't like crowding fish.
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:09 PM   #20
 
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Okay its been about 2 weeks and tank is moved in filled and starting the cycle, added water from my community and added Prime. Here is a pic of it as the filter try's to clear the water up :D

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