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post #11 of 34 Old 11-07-2008, 02:10 PM
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I mean the area of the filter furthest from the tank at the back of the filter that's full of water when the filter is running. There should be enough room between there and the cartridges.

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The red is the filter intake tube, the blue is the filter cartridge, and the pink/purple is the biowheel. The brown ellipse is where you could stick the media bag full of peat.

Even if you position the bag of peat between the filter cartridge(s) and the biowheel, the tannins will still be removed from the water just as fast as they are added as long as any of your filter cartridges have carbon in them. Again, I'm not sure exactly how much the removal of the discoloration will negatively impact the peat's ability to lower pH, but I imagine you'd just be better off with no carbon.

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post #12 of 34 Old 11-07-2008, 07:44 PM Thread Starter
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With no carbon then, how would I filter the water? I think I am learning alot more than I ever cared to. lol
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post #13 of 34 Old 11-08-2008, 08:20 PM Thread Starter
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Second day tank setup 11-2

Nitrate 0 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Ammonia 0 ppm - .25 ppm
High Range PH 8.0

5th day tank setup 11-5

Nitrate 0 - 5.0 ppm
Nitrite .25 ppm
Ammonia .25 ppm
High Range PH 8.2

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11-8

Nitrate 5.0 ppm
Nitrite .25 ppm
Ammonia 1.0 ppm
High Range PH 8.2


Does it seem normal the way things have progressed in a week. It's possible I may have read the readings wrong, and sometimes the water leaks/spills outta the tubes when you shake em. Think the caps get to loose or something after using em over nad over again. I use the API freshwater test kit. Any help? Thanks.
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post #14 of 34 Old 11-10-2008, 09:26 PM
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Looks like the cycle is progressing. If you're using the regular blue filter cartridges, you can slice open the blue material along the top edge of the cartridge and dump out the carbon and just continue to use the cartridge. Actually, you could even use this as a makeshift container and put some peat right in there.

The use of carbon in your filter is controversial, but even those who support it wouldn't say it's as necessary as adequate mechanical and biological filtration. If you're concerned about removing it, I would read up on the debate on activated carbon use in freshwater tanks before you make a decision.

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Sounds like an idea. Yea, I just use the blue ones, although someone on here suggested I get the drs foster smith brand of them and I have. Its' the Drs foster smith bio3 disposable filter carts. i've got 24 of them. although because the carbon is seperated into 3 pockets so it deosn't teabag, it might be harder to replace it with peat.
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Also, should I be doing water changes during hte cycle?
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post #17 of 34 Old 11-11-2008, 04:05 PM
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With a fishless cycle no, no real reason to. I might consider it if you got ammonia readings over 5 ppm as too much ammonia can be detrimental to the bacteria but that's unlikely unless you are putting a LOT of food in.

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You'll have to do a big water change at the end of the cycle though (before you add fish) as your nitrates will probably be through the roof.

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Second day tank setup 11-2

Nitrate 0 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Ammonia 0 ppm - .25 ppm
High Range PH 8.0

5th day tank setup 11-5

Nitrate 0 - 5.0 ppm
Nitrite .25 ppm
Ammonia .25 ppm
High Range PH 8.2
11-8

Nitrate 5.0 ppm
Nitrite .25 ppm
Ammonia 1.0 ppm
High Range PH 8.2

11-14

Nitrate 5.0 ppm
Nitrite .25 ppm
Ammonia 1.0
High Range PH 8.2

Okay, so things don't seem to have progressed at all... unless I missed something in between tonight and my last test 6 days ago. Is that okay? It will be 2 weeks tomorrow since I've started, and I'm amazed at my patience. Hehe, I'm thankful for how much I've learned here, that's for sure. Currently to aid the cycle, I've been putting in a small pinch of food morning and night. A little bit more than I feed my fish each time in my 10 gallon. Should I put more food in there at a time? It's looking pretty yucky already, but the water is a nice weak tea color from the drift wood. :) Also, still waiting for GH/KH test kit to arrive. Thanks for reading!

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post #20 of 34 Old 11-17-2008, 08:54 AM
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If you're not sure put in more food. You don't have any fish in there now to worry about hurting so all you really have to do is make sure that the ammonia doesn't go above 5ppm. If things do get to high you can always do a water change/vacuum some of the gunk up. You're going to want to do a water change and extensive vacuuming anyways before the fish go in.

That being said you have to remember that as far as the test goes things are highly subjective. While it still looks the same color as the 0.25ppm mark or whatever there could be minor variations going on. Also if you have detectable nitrites and nitrates be happy, your cycle is progressing and it'll get there.

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