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Old 09-18-2011, 12:00 PM   #21
 
If you feel you need to pull hem off go ahead, I believe they are dead anyway.... Again OMG that is the most beautiful tank I have seen here so far! Not to offend anyone.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:43 PM   #22
 
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Thank you :) Thats really nice! But there are tons of tanks on this site that look better than mine. :P

Heres my problem, maybe someone can help me out, cause I'm sort of at a loss.

Last Monday I had 8 Lemon Tetra and 1 H&TL tetra (sold to me as a lemon). Im now down to 3 Lemons and 1 h&TL.

I dont get it, they are all acting "normal". Eating, swimming around the tank. Then the next day I come home from work and find 1 dead. I cant figure out what could be killing these Lemon tetra.

My parameters are : ammonia 0, nitrite, 0, nitrate 0. 7.4 pH, 78F. Soft water. I've tested my water almost every day since last Monday and I've had no issues with spikes. I did a routine water change yesterday.

The only things going into the tank are Flourish Comprehensive, Seachem Prime, and some root tabs made by Sera called FlorePlus.

One thing I will say is that I dont usually buy fish from the LFS I got these from. I got 3 otos for my first tank and 2 of them died. Thats the last I've bought there until these lemons. Other than the otos, in the 4 months that my first tank has been set up, Ive only lost 1 other fish.

Any ideas? Since my numbers have dwindled down, I've noticed an increase in "aggression" between the Lemons and Im wondering it maybe this might be the reason for the last few deaths. But just yesterday after my water change they were spawning in my plants again. Today I came home to one more dead tetra.

Hopefully someone can help me. There are no lemon tetras at any of the 3 LFS in my area so I cant increase their numbers without ordering fish. There are also no H&TL tetra at any of the stores either. What should I do?
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:48 PM   #23
 
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Oh, Ive also added several pond snails from my second tank as well as a small mystery snail on Saturday.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:56 PM   #24
 
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Could be the internal damage issue mentioned previously in this thread. Or the fish may have had something. Or something in the water, though your numbers are fine. You're not overdosing Flourish are you? The amount on the label which is about 1/2 teaspoon for your 29g. once a week?

Check the tank pH prior to and then about an hour after the next water change to see if there is much of a discrepancy. Just a thought. Tap water can change suddenly.

The normal aggression for most tetra does not lead to deaths, and certainly not so fast. You would more likely see fish "hiding" from the aggressor first. I've had this with Emperor Tetra. No problems with the Head & Tail Light?
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:01 PM   #25
 
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Once a week on the flourish, half a capful is what I've been doing. In a previous issue you had me set out my tap for 24 hours and then test it. It was around 7.5 out of the tap so I wouldn't think that would be the issue.

The Head and tail light seems to be the least aggressive of them all. He swims with the lemons so I don't think hes the issue.

It seems like this is the only LFS that gets the lemons in stock regularly. Id like to have the Lemons but I'm getting so tired of them dying I almost want to give up on them and get fish from the store I usually use. Which sadly is a petsmart but I haven't had any issues with their fish, yet.

What would you recommend I do?
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:46 PM   #26
 
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Once a week on the flourish, half a capful is what I've been doing. In a previous issue you had me set out my tap for 24 hours and then test it. It was around 7.5 out of the tap so I wouldn't think that would be the issue.

The Head and tail light seems to be the least aggressive of them all. He swims with the lemons so I don't think hes the issue.

It seems like this is the only LFS that gets the lemons in stock regularly. Id like to have the Lemons but I'm getting so tired of them dying I almost want to give up on them and get fish from the store I usually use. Which sadly is a petsmart but I haven't had any issues with their fish, yet.

What would you recommend I do?
My thinking on the pH was more in case the tap water changes; this can occur. It would have to be significant. As I said, just another possibility, ruled out but that's one less.

As you're not going to be able to up the Lemons anyway, consider another shoaling fish for the tank and try those. From a different store if possible.

Are there any signs of trouble with any of the fish before they die? I'm thinking of things like inactivity, lethargy, resting on plants or on the substrate or at the surface, eating differently or not eating, closed fins, loss of colour...
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:59 PM   #27
 
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Some of the first few that died didn't really swim much or eat. They stayed put in the same spot in the tank. Maybe slightly rapid breathing? Color was fine, no signs of illness other than that. I thought it might be stress? These few died within the first 1-3 days of being in the tank.

The last fish that have died have seemed 100% fine. They were eating, swimming, acting like the tetra in my other tank, then when the light comes on they're dead.

I know that this LFS adds some sort of stress coat to their bags. I dont think they measure it either, just pump it in from a large bottle. Thats the only thing I can think of that is different than my other LFS other than water/possible illness.

Also, should I try to return the lemons I have or will they be fine? Assuming they survive.

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Old 09-19-2011, 08:06 PM   #28
 
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Some of the first few that died didn't really swim much or eat. They stayed put in the same spot in the tank. Maybe slightly rapid breathing? Color was fine, no signs of illness other than that. I thought it might be stress? These few died within the first 1-3 days of being in the tank.

The last fish that have died have seemed 100% fine. They were eating, swimming, acting like the tetra in my other tank, then when the light comes on they're dead.

I know that this LFS adds some sort of stress coat to their bags. I dont think they measure it either, just pump it in from a large bottle. Thats the only thing I can think of that is different than my other LFS other than water/possible illness.

Also, should I try to return the lemons I have or will they be fine? Assuming they survive.
I would keep them, as you like them. If they pull out of whatever it is, or aren't affected, they'll manage.
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:08 PM   #29
 
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Would you say this was most likely an issue with the LFS in some way?

Im worried because I have some apistos arriving Friday. My parameters are all good. The snails are alive as well, so I dont think its an issue of something getting in the tank that isnt supposed to be there. Should I just try some fish from a different store and see what happens?

Also, this may be a silly question. But what makes a good dither fish?
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:25 PM   #30
 
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Would you say this was most likely an issue with the LFS in some way?

Im worried because I have some apistos arriving Friday. My parameters are all good. The snails are alive as well, so I dont think its an issue of something getting in the tank that isnt supposed to be there. Should I just try some fish from a different store and see what happens?

Also, this may be a silly question. But what makes a good dither fish?
I honestly have no idea what is wrong with the Lemons. It can be so many things. One tests the water and nothing is obvious there, unless there is something toxic from somewhere and our tests will not show this. I personally will not buy fish from most chain stores. But I am lucky to have a few good true fish stores run by hobbyists near me.

I recently bought 8 pygmy hatchets, wild caught. Within 3 days five had died. I waited a few more days, then went to the store and replaced them (I know the owner, she just replaced them) and got 2 more, so then I had 10. They are fine; active, interacting, eating like mad now for over 2 weeks...who knows. The others may have been still under stress from the shipping and another move was just too much for them.

I would not add more fish until after the Apistos settle, since anything new is always risking ich if nothing else. You can add other characins later.

Good dither fish should be peaceful, not prone to nipping, and not too active. Cichlids, except perhaps for the rift lake species which are something quite unique, are quiet, sedate fish. They can be easily intimidated and frightened, notwithstanding their usually larger size (thinking of many of the larger CA species). Pencilfish tend to make good dither fish for the SA dwarf cichlid species, and hatchetfish. Plus any of the quiet tetra.

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