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Old 04-11-2013, 09:42 PM   #21
 
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I dunno man, without regular gravel vacs it can get pretty gnarly. When I had to do my mom's tank it had only been about 2 months, with gravel vacs, and a light fish load. It smelled awful. I hope yours isn't as bad though, especially if you can do some of it outside.

I know Byron is leery about moving tanks that still have water/gravel in them, but I don't quite understand the physics aspect of it so I think you'll be fine with it being a small tank.

I really admire your daughter! I wish I could meet her, I'm so happy that she recognizes how unfair stores can be sometimes. I do understand ease of catching is important, but sometimes it's just cruel to the fish.

And you're right, we complain and act against bad practices, but we still purchase fish and supplies. The best we can do is try and buy from nicer places, but it still promotes the industry. It's sad, and it really upsets me sometimes to see the condition of the fish in the stores near me.

Mitch, my chain stores here are actually better than my LFS. It's disgusting to walk into them sometimes, one is finally going out of business and I'm elated. That place was horrific.

That is so sad about the betta fish :/ That's an even worse industry sometimes.

Your water might not be perfect for him but I think he'll be so much happier with friends (odd as they may be!), plants, and not getting nipped to death :) I'm so glad you took him in.

I really am so excited for the down and dirty part of getting this tank fixed!

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Old 04-11-2013, 10:13 PM   #22
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Oh, I meant no smell because I am taking it outside to do the real nasty bit. It will just be wet gravel and I will probably have two people carrying just to navigate the doors. If it were water and it sloshes, yah, all sorts of bad dynamics going on there.

I don't know about saviour, I just dislike seeing anything/one being treated in a poor manner, intentionally or otherwise, and if I can do something about it, I do my best.

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Old 04-14-2013, 04:19 PM   #23
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OK. I got around to looking at stocking ideas today given the water, tank size and expectation of the staff.

Flame Tetra , Head and tail light tetra , Lemon Tetra , Pristella Tetra , Serpae Tetra

Oto Catfish only because there is one there now... and I kind of like them.

A good range of corys will work with all but the Serpae Tetra given the history with them and corys, although I think that if I up the numbers of them and add enough corys they will work... I'm not going to do it. They are not bothering the oto so Serpae and otos would reduce the number of returned to the store fish to the two rummynose.... or they could just stay until they expire.

If it were my personal tank and that was my water I might go for a group of Scarlet Badis and corys... but I think that they may be to pernickity for a tank that I am not doing everything for.

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Old 04-15-2013, 01:15 AM   #24
 
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I personally really like Flame Tetras, they are gorgeous. Are you looking to have a school of fish alongside the Serpae? I forget how many schools you were thinking of doing.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:52 AM   #25
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One school of tetra and one school of perhaps corys. If Serpae than only oto's as number two.... It's only a 20, I think three groups of fish is pushing it for the space although a handful of oto's as a small number three would be OK.

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Old 04-15-2013, 07:43 PM   #26
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Gave the fish list to the staff today so I'll see what comes back.

I IDed the existing plants, Cryptocoryne crispatula with possible calcium deficiency.

Might upgrade the tank to a slightly larger one that may be available... it may only take it up to a 25 gallon so we'll see. It will make the transition easier if I don't need to down one tank to redo it and it ill have the plastic trim in place to allow me to go with the glass top.

That pepper cory is one noisy fish. He pops to the surface to gulp some air and he is the only one that makes noise, maybe the others just sip air, I'd swear he jumps out of the water by the sound of him. He started out doing his normal routine of sitting on the bottom just not moving and now he's as skittish as the rest. I consider that a good sign. I can't tell how he is doing with fin regrowth yet, too early to expect anything.

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Old 04-16-2013, 05:20 PM   #27
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Online shopping spree!

I can't believe the price different in the light fixture over the LFS. I buy a 36" LED for $149 plus shipping ($15) online or pick it up at the store (which is almost and hour) for $249. I know smaller stuff is cheaper too but I don't mind spending a LITTLE bit more to keep a shop in business... but a $100 difference?

So, seeing as I am shopping online anyway, I might as well make the order worth it, $200 free shipping limit anyway.

Fertilizer, tabs, test kit, light fixture, food ... can't think of anything else off hand.

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Old 04-19-2013, 11:13 AM   #28
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Just a photo update of the office tank. Driftwood in the left corner, sword and a few little stems.

Interesting to see the driftwood tannin effect. I skipped the boiling of this one to see how it would go... I sort of like it as the colouration mutes the brightness of the light... cuts the glare.

I included a before and after driftwood here so you can see it side by side. The fish are congregating between the wood and the rock behind the plants and their colour is coming out more. They are extremely camera shy but the black markings are sharp black and their fins have coloured up nice. Now when I change their food I expect even more of a difference... If the staff decide to go with something else I might be disappointed that I don't get to see the the whole progress of these fish from sad specimens to what they should be.

Oh, I want to get rid of that background too.

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Old 04-19-2013, 01:28 PM   #29
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Lighting plan... I am going to put my 24" Double Bright from home on this tank and get something more intense for home. I have three choices, four if I go big.

36" Double Bright. Doubles the light and, although physically too long for my 30" tank, it can lay on top of the glass without the legs (this suggested by the manufacturer) as the actual bulbs span about 29".

18" Aquatic plant light system. Double the white light and and extra 50% RGB light. Same basic light footprint as the bulbs extend farther on the fixture and there are three in the end row instead of two.

24" Aquatic plant light system. Triple the white light and and extra 50% RGB light. Same fixture size, longer light footprint. Probably the most appropriate for my current home tank.

36" Aquatic plant light system. Quadruple the white light and and extra 50% RGB light. Same as teh Double 36, too long, but this one the light bulbs will extend over the edge of the tank... way overkill.

Eanie, Meanie, Minie, Moe....

A more detailed comparison is here in the equipment section

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Old 04-19-2013, 02:09 PM   #30
 
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The tank is looking a lot better already! Are you going to keep the large rock?
I really can't wait until you get that background removed and get some sand in there, that gravel just screams dirty to me, haha.

I really like the amazon sword in there. What food were the fish on?
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