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Old 04-03-2013, 01:19 PM   #11
 
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Jeez, that pleco IS really big! I hope your LFS will take him? Poor Cory, are his barbels looking okay after being on that gravel?

Also I never quite understood why people make their gravel so deep. I really, really am scared for when that gets taken out, it's going to be mulm city down in there, without a regular water change/gravel vac since December...

Hm, the plant looks a bit like C. Balansae?
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:55 PM   #12
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I just received a response from the LFS manager. I already knew they would take the Pleco but they will take all the fish if I decide to change everything.

The gravel grew algae so it was only natural to cover it up with more gravel....

I expect to have a fishless tank for about a week while I get everything setup, plants in place etc. then, assuming that I can get the fish I decide upon quickly, start a biweekly stocking plan. So the stirring up of the crap won't be an issue.

4-5 dKH and 9 dGH from the tap. Off the check the fish profiles next.

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Old 04-09-2013, 09:21 PM   #13
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[quote=JDM;1574866]down to:

5 Serpae Tetra
1 Oto Catfish
2 False Rummy Nose Tetra

1 Pepper Cory is in the process of being rehomed in my tank at home. He was being savagely harassed and nipped by the Serpae tetras, someone pointed out in a post elsewhere that they are aggressive and when I mentioned that in the office they said that they noticed them always poking at him... Poor guy. I thought the very cropped fins were the result of neglect.

The Common Pleco has been delivered to the LFS and was last seen swimming around in the large pond fish tub.... At least 6' long and 4' wide.

New light bulb installed today. I'll see how it does with the plants that are in there now, mostly dwarf hygros that did well at home and have not been doing as well at work, old bulb though. I'll bring in my flourish and dose the tank tomorrow. If they perk up I will transfer some new plants over, crypts at least.

Apparently the top plastic trim is somewhere at the office, it leaked condensation to the outside of the glass so it was removed rather than being resealed. I will be finding it, revealing it and that let's me up a glass top on with an LED fixture. I think I will upgrade it sooner rather than later but the $12 bulb might get it by for now.

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Old 04-10-2013, 09:07 AM   #14
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Here is a shot of Mr Pleco as he is in his carry case (a cooler). He's about 10" -12" long and very healthy looking.

The Dwarf Hygrophila in the tank have started to develop algae on the node roots... my first experience with algae... I'm SOOO excited!

Step one is to reduce the photo-period down from 24 hours (yah, I know, eh?) to something manageable. With it being a 24hour operation I can only get bright and dim, which is better than bright all the time. I will likely need to put a timer on the fixture and set it to run at night, reverse days, due to popular demand as the night shift has a lot less to do and like to watch the fish.

If the hygros respond to the light well enough I will go ahead and chuck in more plants otherwise I am going to order an LED fixture in order to be able to deal with what I know and to give the tank a nicer overall look.

Sometime this week I need to clean the sand and pick more fish. I think I will be voted out of the single species idea now, so I will put a couple of compatible fish packages together and let them vote on the options.

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Old 04-11-2013, 09:35 AM   #15
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Stage two... fish are down to the Serpae and false rummy nose tetras and the oto cat. Added some of the plants seeing as the dwarf hygros were doing OK even though it was a short term test. Pic one is the current setup. I thought I would do a little bit of gravel vacuuming seeing as I had stirred up the bottom putting the plants in... gravel is MESSY and I don't know why it is so popular. I pushed the vac down to the bottom out of curiosity and realized that was a mistake. There turns out to be some plant substrate under there as well so I just did a 50%+ change and vacuumed the surface off.

Pic two is the solo pepper cory who is in pretty bad shape. I dripped him in our home tank for a full 24 hours and released him last night. Here is s video clip of him scooting about. Nobody ever recalled seeing him off of the bottom at the office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftMfFdh9oOk

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Old 04-11-2013, 05:36 PM   #16
 
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That pleco is HUGE. I'm so happy you were able to get him into a much better environment, poor guy. I wish stores would just stop selling common plecos, people just don't realize how darn big they get, and how much of a biolode they have.

Poor cory :( His fins look awful, and I'm surprised his mouth doesn't look worse. I'm really glad you decided to take him in :)

Was there a lot of gunk in the gravel? I really, really want you to video when you start to take that junk out, it's going to be morbidly fascinating. You should probably post a notice around the office that it's going to stink like rotting carcasses.

What are your plans for the rest of the fish? Especially the oto.

Do you plan of getting more of the pepper corys? How is he getting along with your emeralds?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:38 PM   #17
 
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Oh and another thing, you may want to make sure people don't flick the lights on during the day, if that's when you're going to have their 'night time'.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:49 PM   #18
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That pleco is HUGE. I'm so happy you were able to get him into a much better environment, poor guy. I wish stores would just stop selling common plecos, people just don't realize how darn big they get, and how much of a biolode they have.

Poor cory :( His fins look awful, and I'm surprised his mouth doesn't look worse. I'm really glad you decided to take him in :)

Was there a lot of gunk in the gravel? I really, really want you to video when you start to take that junk out, it's going to be morbidly fascinating. You should probably post a notice around the office that it's going to stink like rotting carcasses.

What are your plans for the rest of the fish? Especially the oto.

Do you plan of getting more of the pepper corys? How is he getting along with your emeralds?
Yah, when the Pleco was purchased he was maybe 1.5". I found water treatments that expired in 2007... been a long time.

Tetras are going to the store, I am considering adding more oto's, they're pretty small and I wanted to have them in my home tank but they wouldn't match the water parameters.

I'm thinking about more peppers but they prefer a slightly cooler water temp range than I keep and they aren't as good in the harder water. I might just keep the one, he tags along with the emeralds, and cut the water with RO for as long as he is around... that's not a long term idea as I think that he is pretty old already.

I don't think there will be a stink. I will be pulling the tank out of the office to do the final empty of gravel so it will be outside... it's only a 20 gallon so i can carry that out without much trouble once it's mostly empty of water.

The light will be on a timer and the outlet is a pain to get to so nobody will mess with the light.

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Old 04-11-2013, 05:55 PM   #19
 
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to touch on the pleco issue, there is a jacks pets that I go to for emergency only. on their tanks they have random like note things with "tips" on them. one of the notes says 1 pleco is recommended per 10 gallons. obviously this made me rage since not even 1 can fit in a 10 gallon once its adult size not to mention the strain even a 3-4" pleco would put onto a 10 gallon system.

ugh..... most chain stores enrage me.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:06 PM   #20
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Yah. Its' called recurring revenue though. If you buy fish and they don't last, they sell you more fish as long as they don't get any direct blame for the fish not surviving. They sell you a fish that gets too big and you bring it back, they sell it to someone else.

Not that it mattered to me, but I got a $3 credit for Mr Pleco. I forgot to ask how much it might sell for.

My daughter is starting to get a little ticked at the store. She commented about all the catfish in tanks with gravel in them and nowhere to hide... I had to explain that they are not there for that long. I forgot to mention how hard they would be to catch if they could hide.

Sometimes I do wonder about the whole fish keeping industry. We can rail on about the inadequate information and practices that are promoted and we will still buy fish and products. They must make far more off of the unconcerned temporary keepers than the committed knowledgeable ones. I had a friend who bought a betta and was happy that it lasted longer than any other betta they had bought before... it lasted a month.

They are buying at least a 2 gallon Aqueon starter kit with light, heater and filter this time and will change the water after I nicely explained about the fish and showed them some pics of my tank. Now they are a little inspired to at least help the fish survive longer... all I can do I guess.

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