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Neons dropping like flies... :(
Old 10-26-2010, 08:16 AM   #11
 
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The water in my work tank is the one with a pH of 7-7.5. I work out of town and we don't have city water, we use jugs of RO water because the tap water is not safe to drink.

I've got an API master test kit at home. I just checked the pH again to be sure, and it's 8.

The only other thing besides dechlorinator that I've added to my water was TopFin Bacterial Supplement, which would have been at least a month ago when I was just getting the tank going.

Something else I just thought about... the filter on the big tank is an AquaClear 110, and when I've found the neons' bodies, all but two of them were jammed against the filter intake. I've assumed that the filter just tried to suck them up once they were dead and floating, as I've never noticed any of the neons struggling to swim past the intake... but could that be a reason or contributing factor? Are they too small to handle that much suction/current? I've got the flow adjusted as low as it can go.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:44 AM   #12
 
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Well if they are still babies the intake might suck them in but i kinda doubt it. They prolly got there after they died. On my 92G tank that i had i used 2 huge filters and the intakes were sucking water in like a horse and my neons never did seem to mind.
Does the intake have that plastic thing on the hose? The... grates... whatever they are called...?
This thing or something like it?
If yes i really doubt it is the filter.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:04 PM   #13
 
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A pH of 8 is high for characins. It would perhaps help to know where they came from, thinking of finding out the water parameters in which they were raised. This may however be impossible, the store may not have any idea or may not want to bother.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:26 PM   #14
 
Agree with Byron. I live somewhere with basic, hard, alkaline water. My ph is 7.6 but the hardness and alkalinity is up there to and I can't keep tetra. I've tried and have kept some for a few years but they never reach their full size or coloration and get sick at the drop of a hat. The last time I tried it was neons and pristilla tetra and they never made it out of the QT. I'm not one for altering water parameters so I don't keep them anymore.
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Old 10-27-2010, 07:11 PM   #15
 
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Yes, there is a plastic grate/cover on the end of the filter intake.

Aaand... right now I feel absolutely horrible. This morning I noticed I was down to 3 neons (couldn't find the body), so i tried to get them out to move them to my office tank... as hard as I tried, i just couldn't net the quick little buggers so I gave up and just went to work. when I got home, I went to the tank to see if i could find that body, and it was stuck at the filter intake... grabbed the net to scoop it out... and there was a neon in the net. :( It must have gotten caught in the folds of the net without me realizing it. I'll try again tomorrow, and check the net carefully if I end up giving up again... :( If anyone has any tips on how to actually get the fish in the net rather than just chasing them around with the net and then giving up, that'd be great...

Back to the idea of the hardness and alkalinity being the problem... I asked a friend at work who also has neons what kind of water he uses, and he said he just uses tap water with dechlorinator, and they do fine... as he lives about 10 blocks away from me, I can't see there being too much of a difference in the tap water from my house to his house. So now I'm more clueless than before, and am inclined to think either I got crappy fish, or else they just hate me and would rather die than be in my tank. hmph. He shops at a different store than me though, so maybe they use different water than at the store where I bought mine, so maybe it's less of a transition? Byron I think I will take your suggestion, and ask at the store where I bought them and see what they can tell me about where the fish come from. It's PetSmart, and there are a couple employees in their fish section who are the reason why I go there - they are super knowledgeable and thorough, and always willing to go the extra mile to find the right answers to my questions.

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Old 10-27-2010, 08:09 PM   #16
 
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It's not always easy to pinpoint the source of fish deaths. pH and hardness is one possibility, bad fish is another, something else in your tank water is another (different fish can respond differently to all these things).

On catching fish, I use both hands; in my right (I'm right handed, so if left...) the fish net placed somewhere so that I can use my left hand to go after the fish and get it to swim towards and hopefully into the net. Having it next to the glass helps to close it once the fish is in. If the net is still, and your other hand behind the fish, they will often swim into the net unawares.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:29 AM   #17
 
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Worked like a charm! They are now in my tank at work... platies are a bit perturbed by the newcomers and are pestering them a bit... hopefully they sort it out and go back to being their regular lazy, peaceful selves soon...
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Old 10-28-2010, 07:08 PM   #18
 
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the trade is now complete... rasboras from the office tank are now in the home tank, and neons from the home tank are now in the office tank. I want to add more neons to the office tank... so if I add 3 more, for a total of 5 neons, is that a fair trade for 3 rasboras as far as bioload goes? I was feeling like my office tank was getting a bit overstocked already, but I don't know. It's a 10gal tank with 3 guppies, 3 adult platies and 1 baby (maybe 2 months old or so), and now 2 neons (in place of 3 harlequin rasboras). Filter is an aquaclear 20, and there is a small amount of hornwort in the corner.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:42 PM   #19
 
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the trade is now complete... rasboras from the office tank are now in the home tank, and neons from the home tank are now in the office tank. I want to add more neons to the office tank... so if I add 3 more, for a total of 5 neons, is that a fair trade for 3 rasboras as far as bioload goes? I was feeling like my office tank was getting a bit overstocked already, but I don't know. It's a 10gal tank with 3 guppies, 3 adult platies and 1 baby (maybe 2 months old or so), and now 2 neons (in place of 3 harlequin rasboras). Filter is an aquaclear 20, and there is a small amount of hornwort in the corner.
Were it me, I would add more neons to at least 5 total. Two are going to be very isolated and under constant stress, esp with guppies and platies around them. Good maintenance and live plants will help.
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Old 10-30-2010, 02:51 AM   #20
 
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So I may have gone overboard with neons for my small tank... i went at lunch planning to buy 3 to make a total of 5... and got 5 instead. So now there are 7. Not sure if it's too many... I'll test for ammonia when I get back to work on Monday. And if it seems out of control, I'll bring some platies to my home tank.
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