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post #21 of 27 Old 02-12-2012, 08:24 PM Thread Starter
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I see. Well that is disappointing.

Can you tell me how low would the PH need to be to make these fish comfortable? I wonder how much distilled water I would need. I am a clean a phobe with my water as of now. I do 70-75% water changes weekly if not every 5 days. I keep wondering if it is part of my problems with my plants. I maybe need to cut back on the amount of the frequency of my changes. If I had to dilute with distilled water I would likely be forced to do so.

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post #22 of 27 Old 02-12-2012, 08:40 PM
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I see. Well that is disappointing.

Can you tell me how low would the PH need to be to make these fish comfortable? I wonder how much distilled water I would need. I am a clean a phobe with my water as of now. I do 70-75% water changes weekly if not every 5 days. I keep wondering if it is part of my problems with my plants. I maybe need to cut back on the amount of the frequency of my changes. If I had to dilute with distilled water I would likely be forced to do so.
I am not one who thinks water changes are overly detrimental to plants; there are some planted tank aquarists who do maintain this, it has to do with the sudden influx of CO2 more than anything. The benefit to the fish over-rides any issue with the plants.

It is actually the hardness more than the pH itself that affects soft water fish. But once you soften the water naturally, the ph will lower accordingly, so this solves both issues. We first need to know your GH and KH (from the water supply folks), then we can consider options.

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I see. I will contact the water company then to see what I have. Thank you so much for your help. Would the hatchetfish and Farlowella reside comfortably in a 30 gallon? If I need to be using distilled water I might rather consider it in a smaller tank.

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I see. I will contact the water company then to see what I have. Thank you so much for your help. Would the hatchetfish and Farlowella reside comfortably in a 30 gallon? If I need to be using distilled water I might rather consider it in a smaller tank.
Thinking ahead, I would say a 3-foot tank length is best, or larger; but the surface area/length is important.

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post #25 of 27 Old 02-13-2012, 12:25 PM Thread Starter
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Darn it! I might have to rethink this species all together. I still didn't hear back from the water people. Not that I am in a hurry anyway, I don't have an empty tank, I was just dreaming about the future tank stocking list. I guess for now, I will just concentrate on filling up my tank with really nice looking plants. ha ha

Guess I will stick to the little Oto's for algae control on the leaves of the plans. I looked for a few Nerite snails but couldn't find any. I have heard they do a great job in a planted tank. True? Also wouldn't mind a few of the kind of snails that sneak through the substrate?

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Darn it! I might have to rethink this species all together. I still didn't hear back from the water people. Not that I am in a hurry anyway, I don't have an empty tank, I was just dreaming about the future tank stocking list. I guess for now, I will just concentrate on filling up my tank with really nice looking plants. ha ha

Guess I will stick to the little Oto's for algae control on the leaves of the plans. I looked for a few Nerite snails but couldn't find any. I have heard they do a great job in a planted tank. True? Also wouldn't mind a few of the kind of snails that sneak through the substrate?
Malaysian Trumpet Snails. Snail control of algae is minimal, but these snails work their magic in the substrate. I was thinking more of the hatchets for a larger surface area. I had my Marbles in my 33g which is 36 inches long by 12 inches wide, and to me they seemed crowded. Course, I had 20 of them. I would not get less than 9 hatchets. I now have my pygmy hatchetfish (Carnegiella mysersi) in the 33g, but they are very small and delicate; I've five left out of the original 11. The other species in Carnegiella are hardier, though still sensitive.

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post #27 of 27 Old 02-13-2012, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
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AAAAh those are interesting little fish, I will read more about them. I don't know that I should do anything "delicate" though. I am pretty careful and maintain good water parameters, clean and all that but... delicate? I am more of a bull in a china shop fish hobbyist. ha ha If you lost 4 of them and you are the all knowing Byron (in my book anyway) Not sure I could handle them. They do have my interest though. It would seem more probable that I could turn the 25 gallon tank into something new quicker then the 60 or quicker then getting something new.

My ideal is still a 300 gallon tank with Hatchetfish, Farlowella and a few interesting loaches. I would love a whole huge school of Hatchetfish of various colors. Heavily planted of course and since it is my dream, I will NEVER have another algae breakout that costs me the life of my plants. I like the idea of larger space and less fish so they can enjoy the extra "fin room" and low stress lives.

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