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Old 02-12-2012, 07:24 AM   #11
 
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How do you guys keep the water from discoloring to a very pale tea color when adding the Flourish? I clean my water and it is beautifully clear, the glass is clean the tank looks lovely, then the next day I add some Flourish and in a few days it has a light tea color, as seen in the pictures.

I know it doesn't hurt the fish but I really love the water crystal clear. Also, I think the plants leach color into the water or the water reflects differently from the plants or something. Am I being too fussy?

As far as algae eaters, I have a rubber lip pleco which is useless, he hides behind the filter intake all day. I also have 2 small/medium mystery snails but the plan was to move one to another tank before the breeding begins. I will likely go get a half dozen Oto's which should help some too. They usually do a nice job cleaning up the glass.

Maybe I am having a hard time seeing the possibility as I am still sad about the past. My tank looks like crap compared to how it did. I am not long on patients which is what I need here. Wait and see. The plants just can't grow fast enough for me. I know Moneywort is supposed to grow like weeds but this stuff isn't really growing much. I just keep thinking something is wrong and I don't know how to fix it. What am I forgetting?
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:18 AM   #12
 
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Oh you asked about my water parameters.
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 10ppm which I still find hard to believe as huge of water changes as I do. I just did a 75 % water change 3 days ago. Also, I have quite a few plants, as you can see. I shook the heck out of the regent 2 for well over 2 minutes. I think I will do another larger water change today and change out my filters completely. Then again, Is it a disadvantage for the water to be too clean for the plants? Is that why I am having such a hard time getting things back to how they were? Am I fussing too much?
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:52 PM   #13
 
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I personally haven't noticed any tint to the water after using flourish, but I add once a week, and I also have floating plants which give the tank a slightly greenish cast anyway (the light through the floaters). I also have an external canister filter which is rated for a decently larger sized tank, so not sure if that makes a difference.

How about using root tabs? If you did that I wonder if you could then decrease the flourish to 1x/week? (Not sure, others can chime in their experience.) I do think you're just going to have to be a little patient. ;) If you want instant gratification, how about putting some taller plants in the back, which you could always trim back/pull out when everything else fills in? If you were to do that, maybe add a little more height to the back left/center?

What are your water parameters in regards to pH and soft/hardness, and what are your current inhabitants? My farlowella do a great job with algae, and they are such an interesting fish.

A light timer is key for me as otherwise I know my plants and fish would get different doses of light each day. It's nice not to have to think about that at all. I think I got mine at Home Depot for around $20 or so.

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Old 02-12-2012, 02:04 PM   #14
 
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Otos will help alot I like them also but have trouble keeping them, I second the idea of a timer for lights I use one too so plants and fish get same amount of light each day.I dont use Ferts so Im not sure about coloring of water, as long as it clears up I think your ok. Also I see you have a Penquin/emperor hob filter? you have two filter cartridges? I do too and I only change 1 at a time about every three weeks, this way you have an old filter with good bacteria in it while the other one seeds.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #15
 
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I personally haven't noticed any tint to the water after using flourish, but I add once a week, and I also have floating plants which give the tank a slightly greenish cast anyway (the light through the floaters). I also have an external canister filter which is rated for a decently larger sized tank, so not sure if that makes a difference.

How about using root tabs? If you did that I wonder if you could then decrease the flourish to 1x/week? (Not sure, others can chime in their experience.) I do think you're just going to have to be a little patient. ;) If you want instant gratification, how about putting some taller plants in the back, which you could always trim back/pull out when everything else fills in? If you were to do that, maybe add a little more height to the back left/center?

What are your water parameters in regards to pH and soft/hardness, and what are your current inhabitants? My farlowella do a great job with algae, and they are such an interesting fish.

A light timer is key for me as otherwise I know my plants and fish would get different doses of light each day. It's nice not to have to think about that at all. I think I got mine at Home Depot for around $20 or so.

I have timers on my lights now. I learned my lesson when I was in the hospital and the lights were accidentally left on the whole time. Oops! Also, I do use Root tabs for my rooted plants. I just didn't think that would color the water, but maybe.

I didn't know that Farlowella did anything for algae. That is really good to know and interesting to me as it is a fish I find very interesting. I thought about adding those after the Angels passsed, which won't be for a long time, I hope. That or in the other tank at some point anyway. They are alright with plants? My water PH is steady at 7.6 Other fish I really love are Hatchet fish and hoped to add those someday as well. I am thinking of adding a few more large swords if I can find them. I had 4 drop dead gorgeous HUGE swords in there before but they really took a hit. I thought it best to take them out entirely and start new so the 2 smaller ones are the new added plants.


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Otos will help alot I like them also but have trouble keeping them, I second the idea of a timer for lights I use one too so plants and fish get same amount of light each day.I dont use Ferts so Im not sure about coloring of water, as long as it clears up I think your ok. Also I see you have a Penquin/emperor hob filter? you have two filter cartridges? I do too and I only change 1 at a time about every three weeks, this way you have an old filter with good bacteria in it while the other one seeds

Actually the HOB filter is a marineland bio wheel. It will be coming out again as soon as things start looking good again. I like the sponge filters best. I have a bunch of Oto's in my other tank as I moved them all to that tank. Now I would hate to break up any friendships by separating them so I will need to get some new ones for this tank again. ha ha

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Old 02-12-2012, 03:09 PM   #16
 
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Hmmm... Farlowella like soft, acidic water. Not sure if they'd be happy in your pH or not - Byron would be a good person to ask - maybe he'll stop in here. They eat the algae off the plants, but don't bother the plants themselves. They love to spend time on driftwood, and on the long thinner grass-leaf shaped plants, in my short experience with them. Mine are out all the time, usually, and they now come down for feeding times to look for veggie/algae wafers or zucchini.

I have Marbled Hatchetfish and love them, too! :) All my fish are tolerant of soft, acidic water, because that's what I have, but I'm not sure about the hatchtefishes preferred ranges there.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:47 PM   #17
 
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Hmmm... Farlowella like soft, acidic water. Not sure if they'd be happy in your pH or not - Byron would be a good person to ask - maybe he'll stop in here. They eat the algae off the plants, but don't bother the plants themselves. They love to spend time on driftwood, and on the long thinner grass-leaf shaped plants, in my short experience with them. Mine are out all the time, usually, and they now come down for feeding times to look for veggie/algae wafers or zucchini.

I have Marbled Hatchetfish and love them, too! :) All my fish are tolerant of soft, acidic water, because that's what I have, but I'm not sure about the hatchtefishes preferred ranges there.

Interestingly enough it looks like the Marbled hatchetfish wood be more tolerant then the Silver or the Silver Marbled. I need to buy a new test kit before I would consider any new fish. This kit is about a year old and a year ago I was consistantly 7.4 now I am consistantly 7.6 so... I would need to know if it is something that would work or not. I wouldn't want my fish miserable just because I think they are pretty or cool to look at.

I also see that there were a few different kinds of Farlowella and some more tolerant of my numbers then the others. Again, that is just a dream so, I am not in a hurry.
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:53 PM   #18
 
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The Farlowella most often seen in the hobby is Farlowella vittata, and sometimes one encounters Farlowella gracilis. F. vittata is often labeled F. acus, just to further confuse us. This is explained in the profile.

The above need soft, slightly acidic to acidic water. They will be wild caught, unless you get them from a breeder. They do not tolerate fluctuating conditions.

As for algae, they are comparable to otos in that they tirelessly clean every plant leaf and chunk of wood. But like otos, they are only interested in common green algae and diatoms (brown). They will not eat brush algae, etc.

There are many other species, apparently rarely if ever seen in the hobby. Inga, where did you see that they are OK in basic medium hard/hard water? Perhaps it was one of the so-called Royal Farlowella, in the Sturisoma genus? These get much larger, and i wouldn't include these in your tank. Nor in mine.

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Old 02-12-2012, 06:57 PM   #19
 
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The Farlowella most often seen in the hobby is Farlowella vittata, and sometimes one encounters Farlowella gracilis. F. vittata is often labeled F. acus, just to further confuse us. This is explained in the profile.

The above need soft, slightly acidic to acidic water. They will be wild caught, unless you get them from a breeder. They do not tolerate fluctuating conditions.

As for algae, they are comparable to otos in that they tirelessly clean every plant leaf and chunk of wood. But like otos, they are only interested in common green algae and diatoms (brown). They will not eat brush algae, etc.

There are many other species, apparently rarely if ever seen in the hobby. Inga, where did you see that they are OK in basic medium hard/hard water? Perhaps it was one of the so-called Royal Farlowella, in the Sturisoma genus? These get much larger, and i wouldn't include these in your tank. Nor in mine.

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It is indeed. Why wouldn't you include these in your aquariums? It says they are peaceful, is it due to their size? It says up to 8 inches

I am sad to hear that. I wish My water was at least slightly softer so I could have Hatchetfish and Farlowella. I think they are both most interesting and lovely. I thought maybe adding more mopani wood would lower my PH slightly and I would be in range. Like I said earlier, as of late it shows PH 7.6 but when my kit was new it was 7.4
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:18 PM   #20
 
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It is indeed. Why wouldn't you include these in your aquariums? It says they are peaceful, is it due to their size? It says up to 8 inches

I am sad to hear that. I wish My water was at least slightly softer so I could have Hatchetfish and Farlowella. I think they are both most interesting and lovely. I thought maybe adding more mopani wood would lower my PH slightly and I would be in range. Like I said earlier, as of late it shows PH 7.6 but when my kit was new it was 7.4
They get "large" and I had one once that just didn't "fit" in with my basic characins and corys so back he went. I know the Farlowella vittata attains 6 inches, but it is very "thin" whereas the Sturisoma just looks "big." Seeing that fish crash around the tank on the plants...

If the pH is remaining roughly the same for months, we can assume the hardness is sufficient to keep it there. Diluting the tap water with pure water (rainwater, RO or distilled) is the safest way to lower the GH and KH and the the pH will tend to lower proportionally. Water changes will tend to raise it though, unless diluted water is used or changes are smaller volume so the tank can basically retain its balance.
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