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Old 07-07-2013, 08:14 PM   #11
 
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So liveberers? Okay. I will look into them. What about.... oh how do you spell it! Chicilids?
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:23 PM   #12
 
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So liveberers? Okay. I will look into them. What about.... oh how do you spell it! Chicilids?
Not with the minimal care that is being suggested. Cichlids are likely bothered by nitrate around 20ppm, and without very rigorous maintenance nitrate is almost certain to rise. Maintenance is higher for cichlids.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:49 PM   #13
 
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Can you tell me how to care for them? I will be making weekly visits and check on the tank personally while I'm there.

Also, I can partly verify their readings. I got an amonia reading between 0.25 and 0.5. The pH was well beyond 8. I've been testing for a while and I have never seen it that blue. Even when I had my own tank spikes.

By the way, they are willing to add things to the tank that require a bit more work to help the water stay safer for the fish. I will of corse be adding the florish and tracking down he proper lighting, but I need plant suggestions.

Also, would peat moss or drift wood be a good idea? If so, how wold it work, would it change how pwc had to be done, do the have to be replaced, and what fish would work with it?

Oh and are any goldfish officially out the window?
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:29 AM   #14
 
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Can you tell me how to care for them? I will be making weekly visits and check on the tank personally while I'm there.

Also, I can partly verify their readings. I got an amonia reading between 0.25 and 0.5. The pH was well beyond 8. I've been testing for a while and I have never seen it that blue. Even when I had my own tank spikes.

By the way, they are willing to add things to the tank that require a bit more work to help the water stay safer for the fish. I will of corse be adding the florish and tracking down he proper lighting, but I need plant suggestions.

Also, would peat moss or drift wood be a good idea? If so, how wold it work, would it change how pwc had to be done, do the have to be replaced, and what fish would work with it?

Oh and are any goldfish officially out the window?
Goldfish or tropical. The problem with the goldfish was lack of water changes. They are waste factories and the tank was likely crowded. Don't know what type they might have been, but some of them get to 8 inches and beyond, and three of these in a 100g [if that is the size, you haven't confirmed this yet] is pushing it.

If tropical, livebearers are about the most serviceable under the conditions you mentioned. I assume there is a heater...is it working? And what exactly is the tank size...if you have the dimensions there is a chart Tazman stickied in the Freshwater and Tropical Fish section that will give volume, or vice versa.

A weekly partial water change...and if this is a largish tank, I would get a Python if there is a tap to attach it too.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:07 AM   #15
 
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The tank turned out to be MUCH smaller than my original estimate thanks too an aquarium background that made it look deeper than i really was. Turns out it is 4ft long by 1ft wide by 1.5ft deep for a total of about 44gal! It was housing 5 Goldfish and 1 Bristlenose Catfish. Overstock much? -_-

The Bristlenose is the ony survivor. At least, I am assuming that's what he is by my internet search. It is impossible to rehome him in my area, so he is stuck there for the long haul. I was doing a major tank cleaning and 100% waterchange when I found him. They had told me they had all died! Poor baby was in pitiful shape. :(

I opted out of keeping any dirty gravel or filter media as the level of amonia and diteris (sp?) was so bad without there being any nitrate, nitrite, or ny form of algae, I felt that it was better for the tank and the Bristlenose to start at step one. It took me three and a half hours to remove the nasty water and gravel, clean, and get it ready for the fish to go back in. It was pretty bad. o_O

Here is the greatest mystery. When I messed with the tap water, It didn't bother me; when I put my arms in the tank when I took out those first few gallons, it didn't bother me; however, when I found a grate looking thing in the gravel and took it out to use the water vac properly, some kind of green gunk filled the water column (not algae) and caused the water to either become so acidic or basic that my arm up to my elbow began to burn! I can't figure out what happened :-/

As a note, the owner wants the fishtank to be taken care of properly. The woman in charge of it just flat out hasn't been doing it! She can lie to her boss all she wants, but she can't lie to me >:(

They have no heater at this time, but they will be getting one soon. I made sure to make that clear.

I told some of the ladies about the smaller fish we may add. As I suspected, they are worried about being able to see them. I would realy apreciate it if yall could help me come up with some mok-tank mixes to present to the owner (we would most likely have to purchase fish at PetSmart a few towns away, but it boasts the biggest PetSmart fishwall in the state and even includes many fish that are not listed on the website). I'm asking because the local college where I get online is closed until the fall semester so I am confined to my kindle which makes doing research slow going. Plus, my kindle is black and white, so I can't tell if they would be easy to see or fade into the background (not that there would be anything wrong with a mute colored fish as long as it's active enough for them to see the movement). Any help is apriciated.

Also, sorry Byron for not checking with my local water supply today so I could get you those numbers you asked for. I'm not gonna lie. We slept in today and after lunch, I got started playing Skyrim like a big old kid and lost track of time. I'll try to get them posted tomorrow :)
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:31 AM   #16
 
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Subject to the parameters, livebearers seem the best tropical choice (but will need a heater). Or goldfish, but the smaller varieites; I believe three would max the tank (which sounds like a basic 55 US gallon). There will be more colour and activity with livebearers.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:45 PM   #17
 
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It has 6 square feet of water volume which means it's 45gallons. What I'm asking for is a few breed suggestions, not just species. I know how big a difference there can be between breeds in each species.

To help in sugestions, here are the water stats according to the local water department...
pH: 8.0-8.4
Hardness: 50
Carbonate Hardness: 22
Non-Carbonate Hardness 45 (confused me too)
Alkalinity: around 200 or more
Clorine: 1.0-2.0
Sodium: around 8.3mg per l or less
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It has 6 square feet of water volume which means it's 45gallons. What I'm asking for is a few breed suggestions, not just species. I know how big a difference there can be between breeds in each species.

To help in sugestions, here are the water stats according to the local water department...
pH: 8.0-8.4
Hardness: 50
Carbonate Hardness: 22
Non-Carbonate Hardness 45 (confused me too)
Alkalinity: around 200 or more
Clorine: 1.0-2.0
Sodium: around 8.3mg per l or less
I assume you mean species, within livebearers. I would avoid mollies as they suffer from any lowering of water quality. Swordtails and platies are colourful, many varieties exist. Male and female will of course mean fry. That could be interesting for the residents, but not all of them will ever get eaten so pretty soon there will be more fish than manageable. All males would solve this, and they are the more colourful in some cases.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:23 PM   #19
 
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Sorry for sounding foolish. Yes, I meant species within the livebare family (or any family that would work).
Do I still need to alter hardness or pH? Or would they be okay in that?
Should it be a one species tank or a community?
What kind of swimmers are they? Will I get full tank activity or just one level?
I believe that there are many types of swordtails and platties. Any you recomend? Even if it's just an astetic (sp?) choice, I would apreciate it as I can't see color on my screen and the residents have told me how much they miss one that was especially brightly colored. One poor dear (I believe she has Alzhimer's or the like) must have told me 15 times yesterday that she missed the fish, but Ms.(X) said she would get more fish soon. It's tough trying to fight my longing to give them back thei fish and do things the right way. VERY tough. I hope for their sake I can get it cycled quick so they can have their fish back or I sware I'm gonna cave! :(

Also, plants. I know I've said it before and got no responce, but I need easy plant suggestions. Good/faster growers, easy care, and floating or column feeders. I will get them some flurish comprehensive to dose the tank once a week with its PWC and some proper lights.

Speaking of lights, can I just get the light timer at WalMart or does it have to be from a pet store?

Btw, thank you so much Byron for all your help so far. I know I can be trying at times. :)
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:52 PM   #20
 
I use the light timer from walmart. Works just fine.

Plants i know to be extremely hardy and easy to care for is java moss and java fern. I have them in my 4 gallon betta tank and pretty much completely neglect the plants. They r still flourishing lol. I mean, i dont fertalize, dont prune, dont have on a lighting schedule ( he is up in the manroom and somedays i simply forget to do anything but feed ole masta. Oddly enough, they are the best looking plants i have lol



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Sorry for sounding foolish. Yes, I meant species within the livebare family (or any family that would work).
Do I still need to alter hardness or pH? Or would they be okay in that?
Should it be a one species tank or a community?
What kind of swimmers are they? Will I get full tank activity or just one level?
I believe that there are many types of swordtails and platties. Any you recomend? Even if it's just an astetic (sp?) choice, I would apreciate it as I can't see color on my screen and the residents have told me how much they miss one that was especially brightly colored. One poor dear (I believe she has Alzhimer's or the like) must have told me 15 times yesterday that she missed the fish, but Ms.(X) said she would get more fish soon. It's tough trying to fight my longing to give them back thei fish and do things the right way. VERY tough. I hope for their sake I can get it cycled quick so they can have their fish back or I sware I'm gonna cave! :(

Also, plants. I know I've said it before and got no responce, but I need easy plant suggestions. Good/faster growers, easy care, and floating or column feeders. I will get them some flurish comprehensive to dose the tank once a week with its PWC and some proper lights.

Speaking of lights, can I just get the light timer at WalMart or does it have to be from a pet store?

Btw, thank you so much Byron for all your help so far. I know I can be trying at times. :)
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