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Need help with cycling a 20 gallon asap!
Old 10-11-2012, 08:32 PM   #1
 
Need help with cycling a 20 gallon asap!

Okay, here is my situation.

I am very new to fishkeeping, and found out about the cycling process after I ordered 7 $46.00 Dollar Guppies. . .

I am/was planning to hold them in my already very overstocked 10 gallon.

Then Ich Happened.

These Beuatiful Show Guppys will be here in one or two days.

From what I have read and have been advsed, with the 10 gallon being treated for The Ich Already, I can temporarily hold my guppies here without them also catching the Ich.

Heres the huge problem. . .

Recent Ich Boom 10 Gallon: 5 Platies, 1 female Dwarf Gourami, 4 Ghost Shrimp, 3 Pea Sized Apple Snails, 2 Spiral Horned Nerite Snail. Many Super Dwarf Water Lettuce plants, and a small patch of Christmas Moss.

New, Expensive Fish Arriving in 1 - 2 days

Overstocked Tank

Can Not Return fish!!!

Uncycled, Unequiped 20 Gallon With Currently only gravel in it.

. . . Yes. know, I am such a idiot. . .

Tomorrow is my shopping day, and I will be going out and buying A Nitrate, Nitrite, Ammonia, Hardness, and PH Test kit.

I am also buying these for the 20 gallon. Tetra Whisper 10-30i Powerfilter, 20 Gallon Tetra Whisper Air Pump, Tetra 100 watt heater. . .

The 20 gallon currently does not have a hood. I have ordered a hood for it, but alas the hood does not have any lights and will not be here until The 16th- 19th of October. My next payday is not until the 24th, So it will not have lights.

What do I do?

I need to cycle the 20 gallon, but I also need to have the 10 gallon a little less stocked. especially when the new guppies come in.

I also have a small 4 Gallon of Many Cull Guppy Fry and Adults that I have not had the heart to flush.

Please! Help! As Soon As Possible!!!!!!!
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:43 PM   #2
 
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I would try one of those bottled bacteria products. The one that i think actually works is Dr Tim's one and only. Also you should get some fast growing plants like java moss and some floating plants. Alternatively you could take some filter media from your ten gallon but that might not do it and since you have Ich.... Now I'm by all means no expert hopefully someone else will either confirm what i said or give you different advice.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:09 PM   #3
 
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Does your 4 gallon have any fish that are sick? You could add water from that tank, or/and add a few of your culls to the tank and a couple plants (they will help make the cycling process less dangerous for fish.)

The bottle of bacteria does sound as if it is the quickest method. I don't have much experience with them so I'm not sure how well they work though. I'm also not entirely sure if they could be used in conjunction with the previous 2 options I mentioned.

The guppies should be okay though, as long as you do plenty of water changes and try not to over feed. If they were that expensive I would expect they should be from decent blood lines, therefore they should be more resilient than guppies you can normally find at like Petco or Petsmart.

But I can understand your hesitation to risk the fish.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:57 PM   #4
 
No, All of the Culls are very healthy. Just culled for Various reasons. i.e. Strangely shaped spine, a fin where a fin should not be. Much too long of a gonopodium for a fry. . . I looked up the bottle bacteria, sounds like bad stuff in the long run :/ I think I'll try the first two methods in conjunction with each other and if the culls survive then I will permanently keep them in honer of pure hard coreness. I'm really not sure of their bloodlines- I bought them from LotsofFish on Aquabid.com and as far as I know he is a very reputable dealer. These Guppies come from someone known as Ol' Conrad and his goal is to produce the best and finest guppies. I am very hesitant about all of this. Ich has decided to come at one of the worst times. I just finished adminestering another dose of salt and Ick Guard to the 10 gallon after a 30% water change and have decided upon two or three culls to use when I get my equipment tomorrow. I am also planning to move almost all of my plants to the 20 gallon. I will be leaving only a couple in the other two tanks for comfort for the fish.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:48 PM   #5
 
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Yeah. I think, the fish should be fine. As long as they didn't get their beauty mostly from inbreeding. If there is too much inbreeding in their bloodline, the fish produced will be very fragile. I've just thought, perhaps you could slowly move the fry an fish from the 4 gallon into your cycling tank and have your new fish in the 4 gal? As long as the tank is in good health your new fish should do fine. As long as you don't mind risking a few fry...
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:29 AM   #6
 
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No, All of the Culls are very healthy. Just culled for Various reasons. i.e. Strangely shaped spine, a fin where a fin should not be. Much too long of a gonopodium for a fry. . . I looked up the bottle bacteria, sounds like bad stuff in the long run :/ I think I'll try the first two methods in conjunction with each other and if the culls survive then I will permanently keep them in honer of pure hard coreness. I'm really not sure of their bloodlines- I bought them from LotsofFish on Aquabid.com and as far as I know he is a very reputable dealer. These Guppies come from someone known as Ol' Conrad and his goal is to produce the best and finest guppies. I am very hesitant about all of this. Ich has decided to come at one of the worst times. I just finished adminestering another dose of salt and Ick Guard to the 10 gallon after a 30% water change and have decided upon two or three culls to use when I get my equipment tomorrow. I am also planning to move almost all of my plants to the 20 gallon. I will be leaving only a couple in the other two tanks for comfort for the fish.
nice to see my advise on treating the ich helped now here is the thing

tanks are very simple to cycle once you have an existing tank

Rule Number One !!!!!!!!!

use a very good water conditioner i here prime is good for you guy's in the US.

the understanding

after you have filled the tank with water look to seed the cycle process and actually skip the first half of the cycle

anything at all in your healthy 4 gal will have a good and strong bacteria already colonized, any surface of a tank will grow the bacteria that kills ammonia and nitrites exchanging them for nitrates

plants also help lots here too as they just eat ammonia leaving less ammonia to be exchanged into nitrite by your Biological filter system

SEEDING (the 20 gal)

if you are using the same color gravel you can take a little over half of the gravel out of your 4 gal and spread it over the surface of the 20 gal this will help the bacteria to grow on the un-colonized gravel of the 20 gal

rocks or ornaments out of the 4 gal will help to

SEEDING THE BIO FILTER

there are two choices here

1. if your filter uses set media (foam) so the refills have to be for your exact filter then your only option to do this is:

put your new filter into 4 gal and reduce the flow as much as the filter in question will let you
the new filter will seed very fast in an established tank and place the old filter out of the 4 gal into the 20 gal to help seed the tank.

2. THE BEST OPTION
(only for filters that can take any filter foam)

here is very simple you take the media (foam) out of the 4 gal filter place all of it into the new filter for the 20gal and then put as much as you can into the 4 gal filter out of the new filter

the new media in the 4 gal filter will seed very fast and the old media in the 20 gal filter will seed the tank very fast


added boost

personally i have only ever used 1 type of bacteria in a bottle and i strongly recommend it for impatient people or people like your self that are forced to rush things

i have used Interpet's filter start for my impatient friends
(and it does do what is says on the tin lol :P)

i have used this upto 2X's strength and never had any problems and this is with snails and invertibraits (<excuse my awful spelling) in the tank

if you follow the steps i have stated above then add some plants to take a bit of strain of the bio filter and add 4-5 fish out of the 4 gal then you will have a cycled tank in anything as soon as 4 days to a week and a half.

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Old 10-12-2012, 09:30 AM   #7
 
Thank you so much. You guys are awesome, I never though of moving all the culls and fry to the 20 gallon for cycling. The fry that are in there I can risk losing. And as a temporary holder, the 4 gallon woul be great! Ich free, with a few nice plants.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:55 AM   #8
 
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Your welcome! good luck on your new fish. post pictures when you get a chance!
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:59 PM   #9
 
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Thank you so much. You guys are awesome, I never though of moving all the culls and fry to the 20 gallon for cycling. The fry that are in there I can risk losing. And as a temporary holder, the 4 gallon woul be great! Ich free, with a few nice plants.
Anytime

and yes we want pics of the fish you just got in the 20 gal after its seeded that is
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