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Old 02-12-2014, 11:12 AM   #21
 
Your tank won't cycle without an ammonia source. Your bacteria has died off
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:14 AM   #22
 
Actually, I done quite a bit of research after buying the tank. Read an article online about fish-in cycling and wife/I decided to do it that way. Anyway, I'm retired and have the time to research and love using a computer. A lot of folks don't like computers or don't want to take the time to do the researching.......so, that's when it's left up to the store employees to recommend things that are asked of them.

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i disagree with this.there is always the option to do research.this should be done when purchasing any animal. just because a pet store employee keeps fish,hardly makes them informed.there are degrees of knowledge.ultimately,these are your fish and it is up to you to take care of them,not the pet stores.and it is easy to find contradictory advice from employees at the same store.it is their job to sell their product over everything else.in a perfect world we would have well informed employees all the time.this is not the case in the real world.i can not blame a highschool/college kid working at a pet store for the failure i experience in my tank.it is up to me to educate myself. being on a forum you are going to get contradictory advice as well.the trick is to take it in stride.listen to advice and do further research on that advice. what works for one person will be the death of another persons entire tank. this hobby is scientifically centered. water maintenance is truly a science in itself. fish-in or fishless cycling is up to you.just make sure you are fully aware of the pitfalls that accompany both methods.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:22 AM   #23
 
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the point i was trying to make is that the research should be done before the purchase.glad you will have the time to devote to learning about these wonderful creatures.i enjoy the learning as much as the keeping aspect of the hobby.it is a good way to pass the time,especially if you are an insomniac like me.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:27 AM   #24
 
True, but you can read about driving a car but you won't really get experience until you actually drive it! :)
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:31 AM   #25
 
Well, the fish/aquarium department employee at Petsmart told us about this Marineland Hex 5 and just how good the filter/BIO Wheel was. We knew we wanted a male Betta and seen a discount ad for a Betta Bowl w/light, but after looking at that, I knew we wanted something bigger. There was a 10 gallon, but we decided on the 5 gallon b/c of it's Modern looks.

Actually, I wonder how many people do do research before buying? Not very many b/c while waiting for help, have overheard people asking different questions to the Petsmart employee about fish and aquariums. Obviously, THEY didn't do any before-purchase research!

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the point i was trying to make is that the research should be done before the purchase.glad you will have the time to devote to learning about these wonderful creatures.i enjoy the learning as much as the keeping aspect of the hobby.it is a good way to pass the time,especially if you are an insomniac like me.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:32 AM   #26
 
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When I worked for a wholesaler, part of my responsibility was to deliver fish and hardlines to the pet shops in our area. There were family run businesses and chainstore establishments. Generally speaking places like Petsmart, Doktor Pet, and the like, tended to specialize in birds, cats, dogs, etc... and had fish as, secondarily. The people that worked there tended to have minimal fish keeping experience. Conversely, the family run businesses tended to be true hobbyists, with much more experience with fish. The tanks looked cleaner and healthier, and their advice was more sound and had more depth.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:40 AM   #27
 
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Should be everywhere...especially along the floor of the tank, but yes, there will be a lot in the filter where all the crud is. Which is why it's not a good idea to clean the floor and the filter around the same time.

Yes, the bacteria lives on every surface in the tank. The filter and the substrate being the two most significant colonies.

The bacteria is stuck on the substrate pretty well - a siphon isn't going to suck it off.

All the concern about not doing this and not doing that only applies to new aquariums. Once they are established you can do almost anything and not screw things up. But I do agree - in a new aquarium the best thing you can do is nothing at all.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:03 PM   #28
 
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Actually, I wonder how many people do do research before buying? Not very many b/c while waiting for help, have overheard people asking different questions to the Petsmart employee about fish and aquariums. Obviously, THEY didn't do any before-purchase research!
i never did….i went to the shop and made my choice…paid my money
and took the fish home to die
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:28 PM   #29
 
I know from experience that chain stores or Ma & Pop local fish stores it is not one size fits all. For instance in my particular area the tanks in Petco are maintained much better than the locally owned business. The employees vary. Some very knowledgeable and helpful some not so. Both businesses are in business to sell you something so that's a draw. When we say that chain stores "just want to sell you something" and to think lfs don't is naïve. I before I retired both managed a practice and in the past owned two businesses. I would not mislead or misrepresent a product , but I certainly wanted a sale.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:38 PM   #30
 
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Yes, it's naive to think the LFS isn't trying to make sales. In reality, they have a GREATER incentive to sell you a bill of goods because they don't have corporate finances behind them, or other pet departments within the store to bolster the business. I think a lot of people have this fairy tale view of the LFS, not realizing that many are fighting for their lives to stay in business. I'm sure it's a tough position to be in.

I mean, in a way if they want to provide for the needs of the more experienced keepers then they have to do it at the expense of newbies since they are the ones buying tanks and filters and whatever garbage the sales people can get them to buy. THEY keep the lights on....
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