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Old 02-12-2014, 08:33 AM   #11
 
I don't see much wrong with using fish to cycle a tank... especially hardy cold water fish. Just keep doing water changes and let the tank be home for a fish for a month or two. Used to keep fish in fish bowls when we were kids and all we did was change the water... no air or filtration!
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:48 AM   #12
 
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I don't see much wrong with using fish to cycle a tank... especially hardy cold water fish. Just keep doing water changes and let the tank be home for a fish for a month or two. Used to keep fish in fish bowls when we were kids and all we did was change the water... no air or filtration!
I agree with this post. I have a hard time with the term "inhumane" being tossed around. I think you can do a fish in cycling and be humane about it. You do need to carefully monitor your waters chemistry (using a liquid test kit preferably) and keep up with water changes to prevent toxic levels of ammonia. The fish will be fine if doing this. I also have no problem with fishless cycling and agree that if done this way obviously there are no fish at possible risk. Never the less both if done properly are "humane". JMO
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:51 AM   #13
 
you might try anacharis (a live plant). It really sucks out the ammonia and carbon dioxide while returning oxygen.

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Old 02-12-2014, 09:14 AM   #14
 
Fish-in can be done humanely but fish bowls are absolutely cruel and inhumane. Advocating their use for something other than shrimp is just inappropriate.

Bob, plants do not fix everything. He needs a cycled tank, not plants. Plants aren't miracles and can do more harm than good if not cared for properly.
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:30 AM   #15
 
Just buy two or three "hardy" Minnows, like what we had (Rosy Red's) or Zebra Danio's, which are recommended for fish-in cycling. Why buy the "fish to keep" to do the cycling? Many people use these minnows for this purpose. The pet store will take them back and whatever they do with them is up to them. When we took back the two Rosy Red's, they were very healthy and had pooped quite a bit in the container we had them in when we returned them.

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If you want to keep a healthy, happy fish, proper readings are essential and you won't get them if you continue the use of strips. A liquid test kit really is needed. If you want to do a fish in cycle (I recently did because I am pregnant and can't play with ammonia) then go get your betta and a small bottle of Tetra SafeStart. Use the ENTIRE bottle of the safestart and just wait. It won't let your ammonia, nitrites or nitrates get high enough to harm your fish and you should be cycled in 2-4 weeks. Clean out the tank and replace all of the water. You have to wait 24 hours after using water conditioner to add the TSS for it to work properly.
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:38 AM   #16
 
You could do that too but when using TSS it won't let the water get bad enough to harm your fish. It'll keep the possibility of disease being contracted into your betta from the minnows down and is safe for your betta.
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:46 AM   #17
 
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To answer one of your questions you asked that nobody else addressed: the beneficial bacteria will mostly be in your filter, not your plants or aquarium ornaments.
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Old 02-12-2014, 10:01 AM   #18
 
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To answer one of your questions you asked that nobody else addressed: the beneficial bacteria will mostly be in your filter, not your plants or aquarium ornaments.
Should be everywhere...especially along the floor of the tank, but yes, there will be a lot in the filter where all the crud is. Which is why it's not a good idea to clean the floor and the filter around the same time.
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Old 02-12-2014, 10:01 AM   #19
 
We have the carbon cartridge filter w/ BIO Wheel and the BIO Wheel is where the beneficial bacteria would be mostly. Was told NOT to clean or change that. The filter itself can/should be changed and we did that a week ago. It was in the tank for a couple of weeks and didn't look very good. Was also told NOT TO rinse off the décor after taking out to vac the gravel b/c there would be some beneficial bacteria on them.

I will be doing a Strips water test today and will put the results in this Thread. In fact, will be doing Strips test today, tomorrow and Friday and then decide what to do if the water perimeters don't get better.

You guys are being a GREAT help and THANKS for that!

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Old 02-12-2014, 10:06 AM   #20
 
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DON'T KNOW[/b] anyone who does this, pretty much have to go by what pet stores tell them weither the advice is good or bad..
i disagree with this.there is always the option to do research.this should be done when purchasing any animal. just because a pet store employee keeps fish,hardly makes them informed.there are degrees of knowledge.ultimately,these are your fish and it is up to you to take care of them,not the pet stores.and it is easy to find contradictory advice from employees at the same store.it is their job to sell their product over everything else.in a perfect world we would have well informed employees all the time.this is not the case in the real world.i can not blame a highschool/college kid working at a pet store for the failure i experience in my tank.it is up to me to educate myself. being on a forum you are going to get contradictory advice as well.the trick is to take it in stride.listen to advice and do further research on that advice. what works for one person will be the death of another persons entire tank. this hobby is scientifically centered. water maintenance is truly a science in itself. fish-in or fishless cycling is up to you.just make sure you are fully aware of the pitfalls that accompany both methods.
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