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post #1 of 7 Old 04-09-2011, 11:32 PM Thread Starter
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Need halp identifying SAE...

Hey All,

Thanks for all the great advice in helping me set up my tank... It is done fully cycled and stocked. This is a image of the 75 gallon tank (aquascaping still in progress):

I have happy inhabitants... But a brown hairlike algae is growing on my plants... I went to the local fish store and purchased a Siamese Algae Eater. I would like help veryfying that it is in fact Crossocheilus siamensis...

This local fish shop seems to be on the ball and knowledgable they also know I work in another pet supply store in the area (we dont sell live animals)...

I paid $20.00 for an adult Siamese Algae Eater (about 5"). I let him adjust to the tank temp then slowly added my water on top of his eventually letting him loose into the tank... He spent a couple hours hiding in the center cave/ornament and now is slowly staring to come out...

I took pictures of him (and plan to take more) because I am worried he may not be Crossocheilus siamensis. I need him to clean my tough algae and I really don't want to have been overcharged - IF it happened.

Below are some preliminary pictures of him:

It is tough for me because all the pictures I see online are pictures of younger fish and it is hard for me to compare...

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
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post #2 of 7 Old 04-10-2011, 05:05 PM
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It's hard for me to tell from the pictures if this is a true SAE (Crossocheilus Siamensis) or a False Siamensis. Although the black lateral line does extend through the tail which indicates a true SAE. It's not a Flying Fox. Can you tell if there are only 1 pair of barbels or 2? You may have to look hard as they might be tucked under as he swims around.

This may help you. Algae Eating Cyprinids

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post #3 of 7 Old 04-11-2011, 01:08 PM
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The usual fish offered as the SAE is in our profiles; I wondered why the scientific name in jeaninel's post wasn't shaded, then noticed that it is different, the name of the commonly-seen SAE is Crossocheilus langei so this should be shaded and clicking on it will take you to the profile with a photo for ID. There is also a bit on the differences.

H'm, that didn't shade. Something wrong with the profile program I guess. You'll have to look it up manually, second tab from the left in the blue bar at the top, then under Cyprinids, then Siamese Algae Eater or Crossocheilus langei.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #4 of 7 Old 04-11-2011, 01:35 PM
I used to have a true SAE, this looks just like it. The other defining factor is that center stripe having a more "Teeth" like pattern, whereas the flying fox has a straight and clean defined line.
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post #5 of 7 Old 04-13-2011, 11:08 PM Thread Starter
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Hey all, thanks for the help... I have an aquaintance heavily in the hobby and he came over to see the SAE and upon first glance he saw the specimen in my tank and said "That's not a Siamese Algae Eater... That's a flying Fox." He said this almost instantly upon seeing it. I guess the yellow tinge to the fins and the large 'fat' size were the key signals... Alas I must continue my search for this fish as I returned him the day after I purchased him :(. I felt bad removing him from my tank but if he couldn't help me with my algae there was no point in keeping him especially if he could not co-exist with a true SAE... Oh well, back to the search!

I did do some online reading on the differences between the varieties sold as SAE - this link in particular: Algae Eating Cyprinids and it all seemed to support my friends analysis...

The fish I had had VERY yellowish fins... I am not sure if that came through as much in the photos but it was the case... He almost fit the description of the False Siamese Algae eater but the stripe went through the tail. It's all very complex.

Thanks again!
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post #6 of 7 Old 04-13-2011, 11:10 PM Thread Starter
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Oh, I would like to add I couldn't see ANY barbels on the fish... None... I looked and looked and looked.
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post #7 of 7 Old 04-14-2011, 11:58 AM
strange, mine did not have yellowish fins, i didnt even really notice that in the picture, thought it was the lighting.

It took me a few months to locate a place that actually carried these fish. It trimmed down all my BBA pretty fast but then required normal fish food. I noticed that they will opt for java moss over BBA, all my moss was thinned out before they would start on my algae. They graze, but are not super dedicated algae eaters like plecos, or otos.
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