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Old 11-18-2012, 02:59 PM   #611
 
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Victims of nipping? Fin rot?


First Bala has a piece missing from his top tail fin. It looks white on camera but is really translucent. Second Bala has a notch out of his lower tale fin.

Any idea what could be the cause?

I hear they can sometimes get fin rot when their immune systems are down and water conditions are poor. They just had ick, and there was medicine in the water, so not ideal water conditions and weakened immune system.

The Skirts are nippy, but when I observe them it is pretty much isolated within their own species. Perhaps at night they turn on the Balas? My Congos' fins seem intact.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:35 PM   #612
 
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Fin rot and nipped fins can look identical. I recently had what I thought was a bacterial fin degeneration issue but it turned out to more likely be fin nipping at night by my nocturnal woodcats.

Any fish prone to nipping can often do so very sneakily. I was watching an Emperor Tetra one day, attempting to nip the Congo's fins. Emperors are not "nippers" like Black Skirts are, but given the temptation many tetra will try it, once anyway. It was quite an ambush tactic. I watched the tank for over an hour, and the Emperor gave up after maybe 40 or 45 minutes. I was tempted to net it out, but I didn't; I've never seen this again, and the five male Congo all have intact fins and caudal extensions, so I am assuming the Emperor has shown no further interest.

I would observe the tank very carefully; sit absolutely motionless in front of the tank for a good period, say an hour or more. This is not as silly as it may sound; fish do react differently when someone is in front of the tank, for one thing they associate it with food so their minds will be focused more on eating, plus with movement outside the tank there is a natural instinct to be cautious. I often see things I would never otherwise observe when sitting motionless [and I sometimes dose off]. The video was quite short, but I did spot some of the Black Skirts "eyeing" the Bala and Congo, and that is the first step. You get to notice how they sort of sidle up near the target fish, waiting the chance.

If it is the Black Skirts, it will be during daylight as they are diurnal and thus inactive during total darkness. Perhaps the RTS, and I believe this species also is diurnal.



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Old 11-18-2012, 03:53 PM   #613
 
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The RTS isn't in this tank, just the skirts and tetras, and the clowns for a week, could they have been the culprits? Tomorrow I'm going to put my laptop down there and see if I can stream in good enough quality that I can keep an eye on them all day.

A couple of the Balas showed an ick spot or two on their tail fins. I assume that is a coincidence.

None of the fish have any ick spots anymore.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:06 PM   #614
 
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The RTS isn't in this tank, just the skirts and tetras, and the clowns for a week, could they have been the culprits? Tomorrow I'm going to put my laptop down there and see if I can stream in good enough quality that I can keep an eye on them all day.

A couple of the Balas showed an ick spot or two on their tail fins. I assume that is a coincidence.

None of the fish have any ick spots anymore.
That reminds me, after a bout of ich I often seen those sort of white areas on fins, so that is another possibility.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:29 PM   #615
 
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When I moved my dwarf rainbows into the 120 one of them looked like it had white spots on its tail I didn't know what it was knew it wasn't ick so I treated the tank for fin rot and body fungus the spots went away after a while but the tail is all funny still the fish is fine its been months but the tail looks weird still so I don't know what happened maybe it was always like that and these lights are brighter I think it was from stress from the five foot move from tank to tank maybe it was nipped and grew back funny the dwarf rainbows where alot more stressed then the other fish when we moved them over
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:32 PM   #616
 
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If I had a 220 gallon tank.......

Ultimate planted female betta sorority! lol! Maybe some cory cats in there too (love those little guys), but definitely a betta sorority!
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:37 PM   #617
 
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No fish deaths or signs of ick today. Did a water change on 6 of the tanks and did water tests. Nitrates were 10 and under in all of them.

My LFS gave me full credit for the clowns. Which is nice because they usually have a 5 day, 50% credit policy. Some of them took seven days to die. Also, you have to bring in the bodies, and I threw them in the trash.

We moved the Amazon Puffers to the 35, and I got 3 pea puffers for the 10 gallon. Put a piece of sponge over the water intake of the Aquaclear 20 so they won't get sucked up. They are tiny! Also picked up another 5 lbs of substrate for the 10 gallon, as it was barely covering the roots of the plants. I'm going to get more plants for it soon.

Jakie, Boxer, Fellow Canadians, Big Al's is having a HUGE sale this weekend. We picked up a flyer. They have deals like buy a cichlid, get a second one for $1. Buy a tank kit, get the stand for $1. Buy frozen food and get a second one for $1, Buy 2 plants, get 1 for $1, etc.

Oh, and we got some Catfish for the first time! Well, we have corys, they were the second fish we ever got, after some platies. They're still together in the 20 gallon.

But we have no bottom feeders in the Silver Dollar tank, so we added 2 x Chocolate Talking Catfish (look like Striped Raphael catfish, I think) and 2 x Banjo Catfish. Reading up on them, it seems the former prefer groups of 4 or more. My LFS swore this was not the case. So I may pick up a couple more this weekend. Also maybe a couple of whiptails.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:46 PM   #618
 
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Here are the dwarf puffers. You can see the blue sponge I stuck on the intake of the Aquaclear so the tiny puffers don't get sucked up.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:48 PM   #619
 
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Banjo Catfish, and Chocolate Talking Catfish

Cool!

Maybe I'll get a couple of whiptails too.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:53 PM   #620
 
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Amazon Puffers!
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