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View Poll Results: If I had a 220 Gallon Aquarium, I would stock....
Cichlids. Duh. 34 30.36%
It would be Saltwater. That's how I roll. 11 9.82%
Bala Sharks 14 12.50%
Tinfoil Barbs 6 5.36%
1 Male Betta 6 5.36%
100 Neon Tetras 23 20.54%
Rainbowfish 13 11.61%
Goldfish 4 3.57%
Other - Please elaborate in a comment in the thread. 22 19.64%
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post #501 of 1118 Old 11-11-2012, 10:13 PM
oh bummer! are you going to replace that clown when the ich is gone?

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post #502 of 1118 Old 11-12-2012, 08:58 AM Thread Starter
Thanks guys. Found another one dead this morning. Stuck to the filter intake.

None of the remaining four were visible. We moved around the driftwood and caves and three of them came out. We haven't found the fourth. I couldn't see him in any of the plants, and we lifted all the decorations. The only place I think he could be is the big hollow cichlid stone. I lifted it and moved it around and nothing came out. One could be alive or dead in there.

The remaining three have a lot of ich spots on them. So far no spots on any of the other fish.

If any of the clowns survive I'll replace the ones who died, because they like being in groups.

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post #503 of 1118 Old 11-12-2012, 09:25 AM
Are you keeping them to take them back that sucks after all this time waiting for them I never saw all six of mine at the beginning but now do they are a bit shy and semi aggressive fish will make them hide
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post #504 of 1118 Old 11-12-2012, 10:21 AM
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CF I'm so sorry to hear of these troubles and the fish that have died. I expect that Big Al's will step in at the end and replace these for you. My hope at least.

It is very discouraging to say the least. Hang in there. We are here for you, keep us posted.
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post #505 of 1118 Old 11-12-2012, 10:23 AM
yeah i would take them back. the clown fish are the original ich fish anyways. and even if you had qted them they would still have had ich. i am sorry you have waited so long for these awesome fish and are having this issue. you will be ok and get this under control. i am surprised that there is so much ich still in your tank. maybe this med isn't working? how many doses have you done now?

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post #506 of 1118 Old 11-13-2012, 10:20 AM Thread Starter
I. pretty sure they're all dead now. Jodie removed another dead one this morning, which brings the total to four. Two are missing, I will look for them again later. I assume they are dead.

The store might replace them or or give me 50% credit as per their return policy. Though I through them out in the trash and did not keep the bodies.

I hope the medication had some effect, as I do not want my other fish to come down with it. The carbon in my filters was over a month old so I assume it was inactive and did not kill the medicine. I should go in and test the copper levels of my water (or whatever it is they test) but I haven't been in since I had two go twice in one day for the medicine.

Been a frustrating and tiring week.

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post #507 of 1118 Old 11-13-2012, 10:36 AM Thread Starter
Balas showing signs of ich this morning. Going to get my water tested at the LFS to see if the copper levels are where they should be from the medicine.

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post #508 of 1118 Old 11-13-2012, 11:08 AM
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Sorry to hear of the loach losses. This is not unusual, sadly; loaches are highly sensitive fish, and the clown particularly so when it comes to ich which usually hits them very hard. Many aquarists have never had clowns recover.

My advice would be to not get any loaches, whatever species, until the tank is well matured--meaning, about 2-3 months after everything has returned to normal. This will reduce the initial stress somewhat, and ich is caused by stress as we now know. Why some species are much more prone to ich and some others will never get it is something I can't explain.

I wouldn't worry over copper levels, provided you do not overdose the medications. One thing I will suggest though, is do not use liquid fertilizers like Flourish during treatments with copper. I have found that the additional copper will harm plants.


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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #509 of 1118 Old 11-13-2012, 12:33 PM
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Canadien: sorry this takes a while. I sometimes do not check in for a day or two.
There is a fellow here on Long Island that I can pick them up (when he has them in stock). The last batch of Empire Gudgeons I bought online. The empires are hard to find: try Franks Aquarium in Lindenhurst. I am going to continue to search for the place I bought the empires from (the other store). I think 'liveaquaria.com' might have been the place I got them the second time.
Oddballfish.com sell other types of gudgeons and the forktails.
another possibility: http://www.aquariumfish.net/pages/price_list.htm

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post #510 of 1118 Old 11-13-2012, 12:38 PM
that sucks matt :/ sorry you lost them all

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