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post #11 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 12:19 PM
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So should i treat for the ammonia or not?? Something has to be stressing/killing them.
Yes. ALWAYS treat for ammonia. Ammonia is the fastest way to kill a fish and not know what happened if you hadn't tested the water. I'm still confused on your whole set-up though. You said you bought it already cycled...with those same fish? Or did you buy it from someone cycled and then added these fish? A lot of people make the mistake of using guppies and mollies during the cycling process, because of how 'hardy' they are, but it causes problematic long term results. And how did you know the tank was cycled? How long had the tank been established before you bought it? Because my tank is a hand-me-down established tank and I didn't experience these problems when ading new fish. Your nitrate readings shouldn't be that high. That's borderline unsafe. It just sounds like there's something missing...
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post #12 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 12:23 PM
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Oh and another thing..since you're "new"....unless there's a significant amount of algae actually visible in your tank, those algae eaters won't be eating very well. If there's no algae, you need to supplement them with algae wafers, like Hikari Algae Wafers. Plecos will outgrow a 30 gallon, i just had to get rid of mine, but i don't have any algae anyway. Be careful on the amount of algae eaters you get.
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Ok yes my tank I bought off someone who had it set of for a long time. It had several BIG fish in it that I rehomed because I dont want big fish I want the pretty guppies and mollies. lol So I added the fish after I reset up the tank. However a LOT of the water was removed so it could be moved easier. So I assumed it should have been cycle. The one small alge eater eats more flakes than alge lol I do feed them alge disc because I knew I didnt have much alge. However sense I treated for parisite and have had the carbon filter out it seems to be growing some because both mollies and guppies are going through and picking at all the plants and stuff like that. I have large gravel bits instead of small so the do a lot of cleaning lol

I totaly agree it seems like something is missing. I have had a tank before a few yrs back for several yrs but it had Oscars in it and they are impossible to kill LOL So never had any issues at all! I will treat for the ammonia and nitrate and see if that perks them up. At this point as I sit here and watch my tank...Most of my guppies except 2 males act really good. Swimming all over the tank and cleaning plants. My Mollies all except one of my males are acting really good as well now too. They are going through and cleaning swimming breading all that. My Tetras and bottom feeders have been fine the whole time. The male guppies and moly they just act slugish staying on the bottom of the tank. The molly is sitting inside an orniment even.

Let me know if you can think of something else to add that will help :)
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Ok yes my tank I bought off someone who had it set of for a long time. It had several BIG fish in it that I rehomed because I dont want big fish I want the pretty guppies and mollies. lol So I added the fish after I reset up the tank. However a LOT of the water was removed so it could be moved easier. So I assumed it should have been cycle. The one small alge eater eats more flakes than alge lol I do feed them alge disc because I knew I didnt have much alge. However sense I treated for parisite and have had the carbon filter out it seems to be growing some because both mollies and guppies are going through and picking at all the plants and stuff like that. I have large gravel bits instead of small so the do a lot of cleaning lol

I totaly agree it seems like something is missing. I have had a tank before a few yrs back for several yrs but it had Oscars in it and they are impossible to kill LOL So never had any issues at all! I will treat for the ammonia and nitrate and see if that perks them up. At this point as I sit here and watch my tank...Most of my guppies except 2 males act really good. Swimming all over the tank and cleaning plants. My Mollies all except one of my males are acting really good as well now too. They are going through and cleaning swimming breading all that. My Tetras and bottom feeders have been fine the whole time. The male guppies and moly they just act slugish staying on the bottom of the tank. The molly is sitting inside an orniment even.

Let me know if you can think of something else to add that will help :)
How many fish do you have in total in the tank, and what size? (for example, i have 3 mollies, 1 is full size, around 2 inches, the other 2 are about in inch an a half long) lets start by weeding out the possibiility of overstocking, as that can cause an ammonia build up. You can be general, as i know the guppies dont exceed an inch in length, as well as the tetras.
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post #15 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 02:50 PM Thread Starter
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Ok I have 3 male and 3 femal guppies all full grown. I have 4 tetras full grown, 4 mollies all right at about an inch n a half, then my 2 alge eaters both about 2 inches long.
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Others have given good advice, so i needn't repeat. To the present, realize that the odd behaviours of the molly and guppy might well be due to problems from before with ammonia or nitrite. Fish sometimes live through cycling but have internal issues and die later. You don't want to be putting medications/treatments in a fish tank without good reason, as many of these are stressful in themselves and can make matters worse.

I would re-home the algae eaters, if these are the "common" ones like Chinese Algae Eater. Click on the shaded name to read about this fish, there is a photo too.

As someone wisely suggested, don't use pH adjusting preparations; and stop the salt. Some of your fish can tolerate salt, some cannot.

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post #17 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 07:32 PM
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I have a question did the tank sit empty with out fish in it for a while before you added the new fish? If so it could be that the good bacteria died for lack of food (fish waste) and now your tank will need to recycle. Also welcome to the forum there are lots of great knowledgable people here.

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post #18 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 07:37 PM Thread Starter
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I do believe the medications were needed for sure they are acting much better! I have read up on my mollies and guppies which are the ones I care about the most and they both require salt to be happy plus they like the hard water and higher ph from what the informartion says about them on this site.

It is a chinese algae eatter!! does that matter?? he doesnt bother anyone and hides most of the time. I have always had Pleco's in my fish tanks before and they have been great!

But I am going to just leave the PH alone and keep an eye on my Ammonia and Nitrites and Nitrates and see how they do. I put back in my carbon filter after having the parisite meds in there for 48 hrs. I also did a 30% water change and treated for the high ammonia. They are FOR SURE acting way better now!! The ones that were laying at the bottom are now back up and swimming around!!! I think I might need to rehome my tetras as i think they are the reason of the jagged fins!

I want to thank EVERYONE for all the wonderfull info you have given me!! It has been a huge help!! I am now going to leave everything alone and just continue with my 1 or 2 a wk water changes and see how everyone does :)
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post #19 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 07:40 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the welcoming!! Everyone has been great!

No we went and picked up the tank and it was still fully together with fish. We had to empty it at that time. Then I went straight home and started setting it up again so it was only with out fish a max of 2 hrs. :)
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post #20 of 129 Old 11-11-2011, 07:44 PM
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The chinese algae eater will get aggressive as he gets older and start chaseing the other fish and will suck the mucas off of the other fish as well also they do not really eat algae i would get rid of him asap.
Did you keep the filter in a little bit of tank water while you were moveing it and setting it up?

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55 gallon, 44 gallon, one 20 gallon tank, three 10 gallon tanks, and a 2.5 gallon all with real plants.

I have MTS and there is no cure.


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