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post #31 of 58 Old 12-11-2012, 06:44 PM
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This is certainly one possibility. Another is that nitrates occur in his tap water, hence our suggestions for the tap to be tested for all 3. We need to cover all the possibles in order to eliminate the irrelevant and find the culprit.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #32 of 58 Old 12-12-2012, 12:35 AM Thread Starter
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ok so i know how to check the tap water and everything was at the levels it needs to be 0 amonia 0 nitrites and 0 nitrates. i have had a reading of 7.8 ph.. on tap water.. i dont use plants because whenever i do my fish die. ever since i started so i refuse to use them... i didnt use old filter media i used the gross filter water and soaked the new media in the old filter water.. (i had a 60 gallon canaster filter i got the water from..) and the complete list of fish i have is
3 albino tiger barbs
2 tiger barbs
4 angel fish
1 pleco
6-8 zebra danios(they move to quickly to keep track)
7-8 white cloud
1 black tetra
1 cherry barb

in a 50 gallon long tank
i did that water change and added the prime and now my levels are good except for ammonia so i used atm outbreak. and then added an ammonia detoxifier and i have always been told if the nitrates are 40ppm and above they are safe (depending on the fish, and my fish like 40ppm and above.)

so please let me know im just worried about the ammonia....
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and i never added ick medicine i added aquarium salt it cures ick.
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and i never added ick medicine i added aquarium salt it cures ick.
Aquarium salt is very dangerous for your pleco.

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post #35 of 58 Old 12-12-2012, 01:11 AM Thread Starter
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ive never been told that before and i was advised by proffesional people to use that for all of the fish because its a herbal remedy.. the pleco has survived worse... lol
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ok so i know how to check the tap water and everything was at the levels it needs to be 0 amonia 0 nitrites and 0 nitrates. i have had a reading of 7.8 ph.. on tap water.. i dont use plants because whenever i do my fish die. ever since i started so i refuse to use them... i didnt use old filter media i used the gross filter water and soaked the new media in the old filter water.. (i had a 60 gallon canaster filter i got the water from..) and the complete list of fish i have is
3 albino tiger barbs
2 tiger barbs
4 angel fish
1 pleco
6-8 zebra danios(they move to quickly to keep track)
7-8 white cloud
1 black tetra
1 cherry barb

in a 50 gallon long tank
i did that water change and added the prime and now my levels are good except for ammonia so i used atm outbreak. and then added an ammonia detoxifier and i have always been told if the nitrates are 40ppm and above they are safe (depending on the fish, and my fish like 40ppm and above.)

so please let me know im just worried about the ammonia....
Prime detoxifies ammonia for 24-36 hours but gives a false ammonia reading. Use prime daily with water changes until your tank is cycled and it will help your fish with the ammonia. Nitrates at 40ppm is at toxic levels and very bad for fish. 15ppm and lower is considered safe. Stop adding things like Outbreak to your tank. These seldom work and are bad for your fish. There are much better ways to solve your problems, like those mentioned on this thread.

Consider the needs of your fish before acting on your desires.

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post #37 of 58 Old 12-12-2012, 01:12 AM
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Found this article on high ammonia levels, here's the link
Handling High Ammonia Levels

This is pretty informative, I think. I have heard several times that salt can kill the beneficial bacteria in the filter, but have yet to confirm this. If the salt does do this, it's possible when you treated for ich, that is what happened. Especially if you treated for ich very soon after the tank was set up and it had not had the chance to get cycled.

Your nitrates (the ending result of the cycle) are dangerous to your fish over 40, so 20-40 is ok, but to strive for 0-20 is even better. Anything over 40 is a definite cause for concern and must be resolved soon before they get higher.

Hope this helps some. My goodness you are up late :) It's midnight here in Nashville, TN not sure where you are but hope you can get some sleep and not worry too much. You are doing everything you can, we all have to go through these steps, but you've had fish tanks before, you can do this!!
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post #38 of 58 Old 12-12-2012, 01:13 AM
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ive never been told that before and i was advised by proffesional people to use that for all of the fish because its a herbal remedy.. the pleco has survived worse... lol
Not true at all, salt and catfish of any kind don't go together. Salt is not an herb.

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post #39 of 58 Old 12-12-2012, 01:29 AM
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i dont use plants because whenever i do my fish die. ever since i started so i refuse to use them... i didnt use old filter media i used the gross filter water and soaked the new media in the old filter water..
Something killed your fish before, but I doubt it was the plants. That was a coincidence I'm sure. There's a reason everyone here is suggesting plants. It's not because we're plant salesmen.

One reason you may be cycling again is because you only used old water, and not old media. The good bacteria is in the media.

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No fish "like" or prefer 40 ppm and above. Less is always better, for all freshwater fish, I assume. I try to keep mine around 5. 40 and higher would be harmful to your fish, in my opinion.


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post #40 of 58 Old 12-12-2012, 01:46 AM
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ive never been told that before and i was advised by proffesional people to use that for all of the fish because its a herbal remedy.. the pleco has survived worse... lol
Ok. I'll be the one to say it. Who ever you get your professional advice from is as responsible for your fish's death as the ammonia in your tank. Please stop listening to them. I'm sorry for being so blunt.
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