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My Filter, My Sand, My Problem
Old 03-30-2013, 10:41 PM   #11
 
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I have nothing against canisters but investing $125~ in a canister filter is not the only solution for this problem.
One need not spend that kind of money on a canister.
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:37 PM   #12
 
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I was NOT plugging Aquaclear filters, but identifying the exact type of HOB's I use and the fact that I've never had a problem with my [POOL FILTER] SAND. But not all SAND is created equally and if the sand being used is very fine and/or the inlet tube strainer is too close to the surface, then there may well be a problem with sand being drawn in.
I have nothing against canisters but investing $125~ in a canister filter is not the only solution for this problem.
I agree a canister isn't the only solution which is why I stared what I did before.
On a different note canister for a 60gallon tank is cheaper then $125. I spent less then that for mine.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:47 AM   #13
 
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One need not spend that kind of money on a canister.
I was merely ball parking which was why I included the tilde ~

To mention the top contenders...

> Eheim Classic is about $85
> Fluval 306 is about $120
> Rena Filstar XP2 is about $100

These are current rounded Amazon prices for canisters suitable for a 60g (assuming free shipping), retail would likely be $20-$40 more. (also presumes they all come with appropriate media).

I like to solve problems at the root cause and If we keep the sand on the bottom where it belongs it won't bother the filter. But if MitchellLion wants to buy a canister filter, it's okay with me as long as he doesn't ask me for the money

Footnote: This may also be a potential problem for folks with much smaller tanks that can use a solution other than a canister filter.

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Old 03-31-2013, 01:04 AM   #14
 
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You can buy new canisters (with free shipping) for half those prices. But what do I know....
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:41 AM   #15
 
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I was merely ball parking which was why I included the tilde ~

To mention the top contenders...

> Eheim Classic is about $85
> Fluval 306 is about $120
> Rena Filstar XP2 is about $100

These are current rounded Amazon prices for canisters suitable for a 60g (assuming free shipping), retail would likely be $20-$40 more. (also presumes they all come with appropriate media).

I like to solve problems at the root cause and If we keep the sand on the bottom where it belongs it won't bother the filter. But if MitchellLion wants to buy a canister filter, it's okay with me as long as he doesn't ask me for the money

Footnote: This may also be a potential problem for folks with much smaller tanks that can use a solution other than a canister filter.
It's not always possible to "Keep the sand where it belongs" depending upon your stock and set up. Some fish like to play/dig/ around and throw up sand on a regular basis. So while it's all and good to want to keep sand "where it should be" you can't always argue with your fish on that and win.

I could spend quite some time on why hiking up your intake further away from your substrate isn't always the best thing for your tank but that's not really important here. Rather than continue to throw money at temperamental HOBs, OP would be best served by buying a canister, or perhaps doing a canister + sponge filter combination. That way he can save money going with a smaller model and then run the sponge as supplemental. The sponge has amazing benefits.

In fact OP you really could potentially go with an all out duel Sponge Filter system. People often heavily underestimate just how well these Sponge Filters can keep small-mid sized tanks running well. Of course you really need to have a well planted tank for this to be viable.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:22 AM   #16
 
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In fact OP you really could potentially go with an all out duel Sponge Filter system. People often heavily underestimate just how well these Sponge Filters can keep small-mid sized tanks running well. Of course you really need to have a well planted tank for this to be viable.
Well, at least your thinking outside the [canister] box.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:39 AM   #17
 
Thanks for the welcoming
Yes I got filters that hang off the back
Marineland filters (which broke easier)
And Fluval (which was much quieter but still broke)
I think the best for option for me I think would be to use a sponge around the intake for now and look into buying a canister later,
And yes there are a couple of my fish who kick up sand
Thanks for all the help this problem was really discouraging me for a while.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:22 AM   #18
 
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I like to solve problems at the root cause and If we keep the sand on the bottom where it belongs it won't bother the filter.
I've found a nice PowerPoint presentation is all that's needed to convince the fish to keep the sand where it belongs
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:48 AM   #19
 
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Thanks for the welcoming
Yes I got filters that hang off the back
Marineland filters (which broke easier)
And Fluval (which was much quieter but still broke)
I think the best for option for me I think would be to use a sponge around the intake for now and look into buying a canister later,
And yes there are a couple of my fish who kick up sand
Thanks for all the help this problem was really discouraging me for a while.
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Make sure the bottom of your inlet strainer is about 4" from the top of the sand. The sponge prefilter will [also] help solve the problem, but you may find that it will quickly restrict flow and may need rinsing as much as twice a week. Make sure to get at least two so you can swap back and forth quickly and easily.
Also it goes without saying that the filter should be off during water changes and/or whenever you disturb the sand.

Try to ignore the sarcasm posted. Some folks just like to 'debate'. But when somebody reports a flat tire, the first solution isn't necessarily to buy a new Cadillac...not that a new Cadillac wouldn't be nice mind you.

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Old 03-31-2013, 11:19 AM   #20
 
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Yes, forums are full of people who like to debate, as well as pontificate. The two generally don't mix well though. One need not buy a new cadillac to fix a flat tire - that's just ridiculous.
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