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post #31 of 50 Old 06-18-2012, 01:44 PM
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post #32 of 50 Old 06-18-2012, 01:53 PM Thread Starter
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From the local water company: "water averages a moderate 6.7 grains per gallon hardness or approximately 115 ppm as calcium carbonate"

However, it needs to be noted that we also have a water system on our house (as do most Floridians) so I don't know how that changes it. I have Von Rio tetras that are doing fabulously in tap water that's only been treated with declorinator (tank is also well planted) for whatever that's worth.

I supposed I could take some tap water to the LFS and they could tell me the hardness?

-Kristen's tanks:

14g Tall:
Planted, eco-complete, Red Cherry Shrimp

16g Aqueon Bowfront:
Planted, eco-complete, 8 Ember tetras, 7 Green neon tetras, 6 Harlequin Rasboras

36 Aqueon Bowfront: Planted, sand, 10 Julii cories, 8 Zebra Danios
7 Cherry Barbs, Asst snails & Ghost shrimp
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From the local water company: "water averages a moderate 6.7 grains per gallon hardness or approximately 115 ppm as calcium carbonate"

However, it needs to be noted that we also have a water system on our house (as do most Floridians) so I don't know how that changes it. I have Von Rio tetras that are doing fabulously in tap water that's only been treated with declorinator (tank is also well planted) for whatever that's worth.

I supposed I could take some tap water to the LFS and they could tell me the hardness?
Yes, the system you have in your tap COULD alter your water. If you want you can take the sample to the LFS and have them test it. No reason to buy a test kit though.

115ppm of Calcium = 4 - 8 dGH 70 - 140 ppm soft

Safely assume its at 6dGH

Read more: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...#ixzz1yAlyr400

So you have Soft Water...it's not even hard.

Von Rio Tetras A.K.A. Flame Tetra
Scientific Name: Hyphessobrycon flammeus

Soft to moderately hard (hardness up to 25 dGH), acidic to basic (pH to 7.8) water, temperature 22-28C/72-82F.

Read more: Flame Tetra (Hyphessobrycon flammeus) Profile

That would make sense, they do like soft to moderately hard water. You have soft water so all is well. Even if you had the hard water you thought, these fish would be fine.


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This really changes things and opens up your entire stocking option.

You could go Cardinal Tetra....those are always my favorite of the soft water tetras. Their bigger and not as disease prone as the Neon Tetra.

This water could be great for New World Cichlids like Angels, Discus, Rams etc.

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So you have Soft Water...it's not even hard.
Huh. You learn something new every day. Thanks! I must have been equating the higher ph with hard water. All this water stuff is new to me. Good to know!!

-Kristen's tanks:

14g Tall:
Planted, eco-complete, Red Cherry Shrimp

16g Aqueon Bowfront:
Planted, eco-complete, 8 Ember tetras, 7 Green neon tetras, 6 Harlequin Rasboras

36 Aqueon Bowfront: Planted, sand, 10 Julii cories, 8 Zebra Danios
7 Cherry Barbs, Asst snails & Ghost shrimp
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Huh. You learn something new every day. Thanks! I must have been equating the higher ph with hard water. All this water stuff is new to me. Good to know!!
Not a problem, always glad to help!

The pH and Hardness are quite related.

With Hard water, you will find a more stable pH as it is harder to change the parameters of the water.

With softer water, you will see that the pH can change much easier and faster than harder water.

Although the hardness controls how easy the pH changes, it does not dictate the actual readings of it. Hard water can have a low pH as Soft water can have a high pH and vise versa.

Byron has posted some really good articles and a well written post on hardness. If you look on some of the above posts, there are links to that thread. Very informative.

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Now that we know you have soft water, the species of cories you want to keep are perfect.

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Here are two other species of Dwarf Cichlids that like Soft Water you could keep:

Spadetailed Checkerboard Cichlid
Scientific Name: Dicrossus maculatus

Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlid
Scientific Name: Apistogramma cacatuoides

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post #36 of 50 Old 06-18-2012, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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I looked at the cardinal tetras. They're very pretty little fish. I think they'll make a great pairing with the cories. Can't wait to get to work on this tank!

-Kristen's tanks:

14g Tall:
Planted, eco-complete, Red Cherry Shrimp

16g Aqueon Bowfront:
Planted, eco-complete, 8 Ember tetras, 7 Green neon tetras, 6 Harlequin Rasboras

36 Aqueon Bowfront: Planted, sand, 10 Julii cories, 8 Zebra Danios
7 Cherry Barbs, Asst snails & Ghost shrimp
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I looked at the cardinal tetras. They're very pretty little fish. I think they'll make a great pairing with the cories. Can't wait to get to work on this tank!
I want to show you these videos for your own comparison. Just so you can see the difference between a small and large school.

Here is my tank (a few weeks ago) with:

School of 11 Neon Tetra
School of 4 Bronze Cory
1 Male Molly
1 Male Bolivian Ram
1 Female Kribensis
(I don't recommend keeping Kribensis and Rams together, they will fight)


I'm assuming you'd have more of both so yours would look 100X better. I'm waiting for a sale so I can get more cories and tetras for $1 each. Going for 13-14 total Neons and about 6 total cories. I had a Bolivian in there but he died from Camallanus. He came with it.

If you get like 25 Cardinal Tetra and like 15 Cories. or 20 and 20...the cories get bigger and produce more waste so more cardinals than tetras would be easier to keep.

I would at least get 20 Cardinals. When they are in large groups...you get this! The second one is probably better.


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post #38 of 50 Old 06-18-2012, 02:49 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for sharing those videos! They're pretty impressive in large numbers, aren't they? I can't wait!

-Kristen's tanks:

14g Tall:
Planted, eco-complete, Red Cherry Shrimp

16g Aqueon Bowfront:
Planted, eco-complete, 8 Ember tetras, 7 Green neon tetras, 6 Harlequin Rasboras

36 Aqueon Bowfront: Planted, sand, 10 Julii cories, 8 Zebra Danios
7 Cherry Barbs, Asst snails & Ghost shrimp
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post #39 of 50 Old 06-18-2012, 03:58 PM
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Iv got 5 peppered corys in with congo tetras and rummynose tetras and the corys occaisionally mimmic them and join the shoals for a couple of lengths hehe, there real characters


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post #40 of 50 Old 06-18-2012, 04:10 PM Thread Starter
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That's a gorgeous tank, Molinious.

-Kristen's tanks:

14g Tall:
Planted, eco-complete, Red Cherry Shrimp

16g Aqueon Bowfront:
Planted, eco-complete, 8 Ember tetras, 7 Green neon tetras, 6 Harlequin Rasboras

36 Aqueon Bowfront: Planted, sand, 10 Julii cories, 8 Zebra Danios
7 Cherry Barbs, Asst snails & Ghost shrimp
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