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Old 11-20-2010, 08:02 PM   #1
 
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Moving up advice

Hello,

I started a 10gallon a few months ago and I am already getting a bigger tank. I was curious if the driftwood housed in my cycled tank will contain beneficial bacteria. I have a nice large piece that I planned on transferring, and was hoping to jump start the cycle. If not that's fine, I was just curious.


Any tips on making the transition from a 10g to 55g? I don't want to shock my old tank because I plan on doing stocking it with something fun(maybe puffers or an invert tank)


Also the lighting seems kind of bad, so I was wondering if anyone had any experience with these:
Aquarium Lighting & LED Lights: Marineland LED Double Bright Lighting System
in a freshwater?
I am definitely doing live plants and I want the plants to grow well and the tank to have that "glimmer". If not this set any suggestions on lighting?
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:42 PM   #2
 
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Hello,

I started a 10gallon a few months ago and I am already getting a bigger tank. I was curious if the driftwood housed in my cycled tank will contain beneficial bacteria. I have a nice large piece that I planned on transferring, and was hoping to jump start the cycle. If not that's fine, I was just curious.


Any tips on making the transition from a 10g to 55g? I don't want to shock my old tank because I plan on doing stocking it with something fun(maybe puffers or an invert tank)


Also the lighting seems kind of bad, so I was wondering if anyone had any experience with these:
Aquarium Lighting & LED Lights: Marineland LED Double Bright Lighting System
in a freshwater?
I am definitely doing live plants and I want the plants to grow well and the tank to have that "glimmer". If not this set any suggestions on lighting?

Yes the driftwood would hold some bacteria assuming that the ten gallon is cycled. It would as you say ,jump start the cycle.
Were it me, I would also consider taking about a cup full of gravel from the ten gallon tank and place it in the toe section of ladies nylon ,and place this in the filter or hang the bag in front of the return flow from the filter on the 55 gallon.
This would allow you in my view,to stock four or five SMALL fish in the 55 gallon and at ten day interval's stock four or five more and so on, until your tank holds the number's of fish you researched/plannned on.
Perform weekly water change each week on the 55 gallon ,and try not to disturb the filter for at least a month.
If fish are not overfed,,the filter should not need cleaning for this duration. Congrat's on the larger tank.
Have no expierience,nor have I heard any view's with respect to effectiveness of the Led lighting over planted aquariums.I suspect there are those using them but it is unclear to me what color spectrum that these bulbs produce.
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:10 AM   #3
 
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Yes the driftwood would hold some bacteria assuming that the ten gallon is cycled. It would as you say ,jump start the cycle.
Were it me, I would also consider taking about a cup full of gravel from the ten gallon tank and place it in the toe section of ladies nylon ,and place this in the filter or hang the bag in front of the return flow from the filter on the 55 gallon.
This would allow you in my view,to stock four or five SMALL fish in the 55 gallon and at ten day interval's stock four or five more and so on, until your tank holds the number's of fish you researched/plannned on.
Perform weekly water change each week on the 55 gallon ,and try not to disturb the filter for at least a month.
If fish are not overfed,,the filter should not need cleaning for this duration. Congrat's on the larger tank.
Have no expierience,nor have I heard any view's with respect to effectiveness of the Led lighting over planted aquariums.I suspect there are those using them but it is unclear to me what color spectrum that these bulbs produce.
Cheers I appreciate the advice. I was thinking about some of the gravel, but I was going to get a different style for this tank so putting it into a nylon sounds like a great idea.

This tank I really plan on taking it a bit slower. I think I might move my 3 platys over, and see how the parameters stay. Then slowly move over the others. After I move my meager stock over, stabilize and let it be. The reason I went for a much bigger tank is so I can browse fish stores and buy a new fish everyone once in a while, slowly adding to the tank.

The guy is selling it with an Eheim professional II, so I could just toss the seeded gravel bag into a media basket, correct? I wonder if I should buy new media for it, or will a quick rinse be fine?

I thought the LEDs looked kind of neat, and at a decent price. The spectrum is 6ks and a few 430nms for lunar lights. I might just go with regular fluorescence though. I just think the price is probably too good to be true.
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:50 PM   #4
 
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I have read negative comments on LED lighting for planted aquaria; but having said that, at the rate new products appear these days, there may be some good ones out there. Myself I would stick with what I know.

A single-tube regular T8 fluorescent fixture that holds a 48-inch tube will be fine over a 55g assuming it is a standard 4-foot tank. I had this years ago, and other members here do now, I know Angel079 has one like this and has great plant growth. You need a good tube, a full spectrum "daylight" type with a kelvin rating around 6500K. Hardware stores carry these made by GE, Phillips, Sylvania and they are only a few dollars. The spectrum (kelvin) is the critical thing.

Also, plants (and fish) need some total darkness, around 10 hours nightly of complete darkness. I mention this as you refer to moonlights.

There is a series of articles on a natural planted setup at the top of the Aquarium Plants section, entitled "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" that may provide some background info for you, and the photos of my tanks under "Aquariums" below my name on the left are examples of such tanks. And ask any questions.

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Old 11-21-2010, 02:48 PM   #5
 
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I have read negative comments on LED lighting for planted aquaria; but having said that, at the rate new products appear these days, there may be some good ones out there. Myself I would stick with what I know.

A single-tube regular T8 fluorescent fixture that holds a 48-inch tube will be fine over a 55g assuming it is a standard 4-foot tank. I had this years ago, and other members here do now, I know Angel079 has one like this and has great plant growth. You need a good tube, a full spectrum "daylight" type with a kelvin rating around 6500K. Hardware stores carry these made by GE, Phillips, Sylvania and they are only a few dollars. The spectrum (kelvin) is the critical thing.

Also, plants (and fish) need some total darkness, around 10 hours nightly of complete darkness. I mention this as you refer to moonlights.

There is a series of articles on a natural planted setup at the top of the Aquarium Plants section, entitled "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" that may provide some background info for you, and the photos of my tanks under "Aquariums" below my name on the left are examples of such tanks. And ask any questions.

Byron.
Cool, I was reading through those threads again last night. I was thinking about later grabbing and 2 fluorescent one and adding a blue spectrum bulb. Are the Actinic 420nm the cool blue spectrum bulbs that benefit plants or are they strictly for reefs? Do the 6500k lights appear white?

I was just planning on having the lunar lights on for a little bit at night when I am working at my computer then off when I went to bed but I will most likely skip the LED set that has the lunar lights because I have no idea how effective they are.


Thanks for the advice guys, much appreciated.
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:25 PM   #6
 
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Actinic tubes do not benefit plants. But algae will take advantage of this or any light. Tanks with too blue a light frequently have algae issues.

Plants require light high in the red and blue colours to photosynthesize. A combination of full spectrum and cool white (which is slightly on the blue side) works well. But that red (which is in the full spectrum) has to be there. The green in full spectrum balances the bluer and red for a natural colour rendition.

If you looked at the photos of my tanks, I have a combo of full spectrum (6700K) and cool blue on the twin-tube tanks. It adds a bit of cooler (blue-end) light without being troublesome for algae.

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Old 11-21-2010, 07:56 PM   #7
 
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I upgraded from a 35-litre (about 9 US gallons) to a 250-litre. All fish got moved out of the 35-litre at the same time because I sold it (first advertisement, first caller) when it was still up and running and I had to move the fish and pull it apart for the people to take away. My panda cories (3), black neon tetras (5) and my guppy all went into the 250-litre which had been running with plants planted 8 days before. I hung a piece of the filter wool from my other tank in a stocking in the 250-litre. I was concerned about adding my fish, especially my pandas, to a new tank but everyone was ok. I left it for a month before adding any new fish and then I only did one group at a time and left it for a couple of weeks between additions. I never saw any ammonia in the new tank.

When I upgraded my 75-litre to the 165-litre, I moved all of my ceramic noodles and filter wool into the filter on the new tank, a cup of "dirty" gravel (I washed out the rest of it) and all of the fish went over at the same time. Again, I didn't see any ammonia and I didn't lose any fish (even though they spent a day in a bucket, poor things).

From my experience, having plants and seeding your tank with existing filter material does work as I'd read. (Or maybe I was just really lucky?). The "slow start" method which is what I did and what you are planning also seems to work well.
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Old 11-21-2010, 11:21 PM   #8
 
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Byron: Thank you. I was a little confused by the "cool blue" bulbs but I am clear now.


Tanker: I really appreciate you sharing your experience moving to a new tank. Looks like when I have room in my office to put the tank I will be filling it and stocking some plants and seeding with some old gravel and driftwood.


I picked up the tank today and put it in my garage while I make space for it. I filled it up a bit to clean it. Filled it again all the way and added the filter to test everything before it is indoors.

I couldn't for the life of me figure out this filter. I thought for a while that it was broken or something but the priming button was not working. Then I look the pump part off of the canister to investigate inside and while tilting the head I head GURRGLE and water splash out. I put the lid back on the canister and the air circulated out while it filled with water and seemed to work after. I am not sure what I did, maybe there was some trapped air or something... It did have a small leak but I am hoping it was because I had to put the lid on quickly because of the water flow.

I cleaned up everything and putting together a list of things I need.


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I got the tank, stand, fluorescent fixture, Eheim Pro II canister, a bunch of testing stuff, and various supplies(mag-float, net, bunch of tubing, gravel filter, some rocks and shells) for $250. I am pretty psyched.

Just really needs a new glass top and some substrate
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Old 11-22-2010, 01:53 AM   #9
 
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Your fish are going to love the new tank. All that swimming room - paradise!
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:38 PM   #10
 
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On the filter, Eheim are superbly made, I have three of them. When you take it apart for rinsing of the media, air frequently is "trapped" inside and that noise you describe is normal. You do have to keep an eye on it after you first switch it on; sometimes that air is sufficient to break the flow of water, and the motor keeps running with no water going through and can burn out. I find turning it off for a couple seconds then back on usually solves this, and may need it a few times. Filling the canister from a pail to just below the top so the housing can be clamped back on without squirting water out will sometimes help.

The rubber gasket around the top has to be even all around when the housing is put back on or it may leak. Eheim supply a vaseline that can be dabbed all around the gasket to help seal it; ordinary Vaseline will work, I apply it with a Q=Tip so there is barely a smear around the rubber gasket. My Eheims have been running continuously for more than 13 years now, with never a failure.

I use Fluval media rather than Eheim's, simply because it is 1/3 the cost.

One suggestion on the blue backgrond--can it be removed? This is to me quite brilliant and will detract from your fish and plant colours. A neutral dark gray, black, dark brown usually works well. Just a thought.

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