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Old 09-08-2012, 09:11 PM   #11
 
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You need to keep either a lone DG or get one male and two females.. just adding another male to the combination will not improve the aggression.

Also, your rams are probably still young. Are they courting or paired off or spawning for that matter? They are not very aggressive fish until they're spawning, although the males can get very aggressive towards each other once sexually mature. Rams are sold somewhat young too because they've got comparatively short life spans.. especially the genetically mutated "angel" ones. Just keep an eye on them. What I've told you is only what I've personally experienced. I've been keeping rams for about a year now, save for the 1-2 months I had my DG before it died of the virus that like 80% of DGs carry and die from - which is another reason I would not suggest wasting more money on more DGs.

Also, both gouramis and rams, once mature, get very territorial. Once these fish bear adulthood I do not seeing this many of both species doing well in this small of a tank.
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Old 09-09-2012, 07:15 AM   #12
 
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I finally have my 36 gallon bowfront up and running.I have a sanded bottom and real plants in the tank.
I have a Dwarf Blue Gourami,4 Angel Rams,1 Dojo Loach,2 Kuhli Loaches,2 Panda Cory's,1Killisfish, and 3 ghost shrimp.Is this alot?They all get along so good.
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Old 09-09-2012, 07:21 AM   #13
 
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The Swordtails would also prefer to be kept in a bit more of a group, and prefer harder water than many of the other fish you've listed . . .

Again, if it were me, I'd choose 3 or 4 of these fish types to concentrate on, increase the numbers of those that require it, and rehome/take back the rest. A good place to start would be to figure out what the hardness of the water you're using is, then you can focus on the fish that will thrive in the conditions you can provide. You also really do need to take a closer look at the temperature requirements.

Good luck with your tank!
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Old 09-09-2012, 07:56 AM   #14
 
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Hmmm. . . this is a really odd stocking list! I don't think that your tank is overstocked, exactly - not YET anyway. But there are several other issues that are of concern with this stocking. . .

First is temperature requirements, and the Dojo Loach is definitely a misfit in this tank. I'm not sure if you know, but these guys get huge - they really will need a tank that is 50 gallons or larger, and they prefer cooler temperatures than many of the tropical fish that you have. Loaches in general are very social creatures, they need a shoal in order to be happy. I'd say a minimum of 3 for the Dojo's, and though you can get away with 3 Kuhli, 5+ is preferable - the more the merrier in loachville! Kuhli also prefer things a *bit* on the cooler side, but they 're a better match temperature wise with the normal temps kept in a tropical tank.

Panda Corys are another fish that will be unhappy if they aren't kept with others of their kind. . . You really would want a shoal of four or more for them to feel comfortable in your tank. . .

I'm not very familiar with Killifish, to be honest, but I feel like I've read somewhere that they also need to be kept in a group, and tend to prefer cooler temperatures, too?

Another thing to consider is that most of the fish you've chosen for this tank prefer to hang out in the bottom of the aquarium. Loaches, Cories, shrimp, and Rams all tend to stay low in the tank, so they may be uncomfortable in a situation like this one - especially as they reach full growth.

I'm not entirely convinced that your rams or your gourami won't make a snack out of your shrimp (could be wrong here!)

So. . . while you have enough ROOM for the fish you have *technically* (though the Dojo might be too big to stay in this tank eventually) if it were my tank I think I'd choose 3 or maybe 4 of the fish that I like best, get a few more of those, and return/rehome the rest.

I hope this helps you out! Good luck with your tank stocking - I think it'd be a good idea for you to do a bit more research into these specific fish and see what will ultimately work best for you and your tank - and temperature!
I love my Dojo Loach but i do see now that he needs cooler temps.I will rehome him:(I work at the LFS.I will find him a good owner with other Dojo's
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:01 AM   #15
 
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The Swordtails would also prefer to be kept in a bit more of a group, and prefer harder water than many of the other fish you've listed . . .

Again, if it were me, I'd choose 3 or 4 of these fish types to concentrate on, increase the numbers of those that require it, and rehome/take back the rest. A good place to start would be to figure out what the hardness of the water you're using is, then you can focus on the fish that will thrive in the conditions you can provide. You also really do need to take a closer look at the temperature requirements.

Good luck with your tank!
The Swords were my cycling fish..They seem happy to.I have another Dwarf Gourami i woukd kove to put in this tank but the 2 males fight.Should i get a female to they wont fight?
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:11 AM   #16
 
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VERY happy to hear that you're willing to return the poor little guy and give him a chance to live a happier life in another tank!

It's hard and sad to send away fish that you really love. I had to do it too when I first started, so I understand. But the plus side is watching the fish you DO keep live long and happy lives! When you get fish that are going to thrive in your water/temp/tank-size, and in the numbers that will make them feel secure, you'll be rewarded with a tankful of very happy creatures that can live to their full potential - and that's all that any of us want :)

Well, Swords are adaptable, so they'll likely be okay in any conditions, as long as the water is kept clean. You may want to increase their numbers - but first you really have to decide on which fish you really want to keep, as you can't increase the numbers of EVERY fish you have - if you did you'll be seriously overstocked. Giving the Loach a new home is a great first move, but you now need to figure out where to go from here. I'd say that the Swordtails are a great option for keeping in this tank, because they're a great fish for a beginner, are bright and colorful, and NOT bottom-dwellers like many of the rest of your creatures!

HOWEVER, I'm not sure how the Dwarf Gourami interacts with Swordtails, so you may want to check on compatibility issues here. . . from what I've read, it is possible that the bright colors of a fish like the Sword can make the gourami be more territorial and aggressive, as he feels like he's in competition with them. I could be wrong, but you should definitely do a bit more research on keeping these two together. I think that a calmer shoaling fish is generally considered best in community with DG - like a small tetra or rasbora.

As far as getting another. Honestly, the Dwarf Gourami is a BEAUTIFUL fish, but they do tend to be on the snippy side in a community. That, paired with the fact that they VERY commonly come in with illnesses that might not be obvious until a few months down the road makes me want to tell you that if you want to keep a DG, only keep one. A better option for you would be to return the dwarves, and go with another type of NOT dwarf gourami - like the Honey - who are much sweeter fish, and more tolerant in general - just all around better community fish. If you want to try for a 2nd, a female is the only option - two males will not get along. Even when keeping a pair, you will have to keep a continuous eye on things and have a back-up plan in case they need to be separated - sometimes the male dwarfs can be too aggressive - even to their own mates!

If you DO get another Dwarf Gourami, you should really keep it in QT for a period of 6-8 weeks, because they are so commonly ill. . .

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Old 09-09-2012, 08:22 AM   #17
 
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very happy to hear that you're willing to return the poor little guy and give him a chance to live a happier life in another tank!

it's hard and sad to send away fish that you really love. I had to do it too when i first started, so i understand. But the plus side is watching the fish you do keep live long and happy lives! When you get fish that are going to thrive in your water/temp/tank-size, and in the numbers that will make them feel secure, you'll be rewarded with a tankful of very happy creatures that can live to their full potential - and that's all that any of us want :)
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