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Old 05-11-2010, 09:22 AM   #11
 
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Got ya!
10g is perfect for them.
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water quality.

I currently have an Aqueon 10 HOB filter for the ten gallon, but I plan on getting a few sponge filters, and letting them seed in the tank alongside the HOB filter, and then once the goldfish move out and I'm confident the sponges are well seeded, I would be using a sponge filter in the 10 gallon, and a sponge filter in the 1 gallon, and the HOB would be in the 55 to help seed that, and then eventually I would just get another 10g and use the HOB for it, kind of killing a bunch of birds with one stone I guess.

I want to try and do a java moss wall on the back of the 1 gallon, and I want to get a chunk of slate or something, and cover that with moss, and add some more plant life for the 10g, all preferably before I get the shrimp, so they have a happy place to live.

The one gallon is just a small tank I really like, but don't have much use for, and I thought it would be really nice to just use it for the malaysian trumpet snails as a nice view at my desk, but then the thought of adding a few shrimp seemed like it might be nice. I would be adding freshly born shrimp when I had them, so they would hopefully be better able to handle the conditions of a not perfectly established tank, since I can't put a fish in the tank to cycle it for them, but I will have a seeded sponge, plants, and possibly even the sand if that can get seeded.

I'd really rather just stick with one breed of shrimp, and I really like cherry red shrimp, so I figure I would just stick with them, rather than having multiple species.
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Old 05-12-2010, 09:23 AM   #12
 
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You can just wash the filter pad from the HOB out in the 10g after installing the sponge, the muck you'll see coming off from it is all the seeding you need right there.

Here's 2 ideas from my two 10g's one is a moss wall in its early stages (wayyyy denser now) and the other one is set up with local rock and hair grass...just some ideas
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Old 05-12-2010, 09:30 AM   #13
 
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You can just wash the filter pad from the HOB out in the 10g after installing the sponge, the muck you'll see coming off from it is all the seeding you need right there.

Here's 2 ideas from my two 10g's one is a moss wall in its early stages (wayyyy denser now) and the other one is set up with local rock and hair grass...just some ideas
Wow, thats a million times more heavily planted than I would have thought of.

I suppose I should get some more plants for the 10 lol.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:52 AM   #14
 
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Also wanted to point something out-

With your current setup, I'm not sure any plant would do well.

Also, do you have a thermometer on the 1G? Incandescents produce a LOT of heat- You wouldn't want to turn your shrimp into gumbo would ya?
Plus most of their light is in the red spectrum while aquatic plants don't use hardly any red...

I'd reccoment some small cool white (6500k) compact flourescent if it will fit...If not, perhaps some cool white LED lights.... I could walk you through building a light if you needed me to.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:59 AM   #15
 
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Wanna see some tanks that are a lil more filled with plants? Cause I consider my 10 g's VERY lightly planted here's some of my 55's and 45's...
The hairgrass one I only put in 2x hairgrass, 1x Stargrass and 2 Java's
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:38 AM   #16
 
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Also wanted to point something out-

With your current setup, I'm not sure any plant would do well.

Also, do you have a thermometer on the 1G? Incandescents produce a LOT of heat- You wouldn't want to turn your shrimp into gumbo would ya?
Plus most of their light is in the red spectrum while aquatic plants don't use hardly any red...

I'd reccoment some small cool white (6500k) compact flourescent if it will fit...If not, perhaps some cool white LED lights.... I could walk you through building a light if you needed me to.
Actually with how small that is I think setting up an led light would be easy enough, it's just in the bigger tanks that I'd worry about even light and such, but with the mini tank I think it'd be easy enough to manage, and I'll just run it from my 12v adapter with a resistor on there, no thermometer yet, but when I used to have it with a thermo and the light on it seemed to hover around 74 if I recall, but it'll be set up with a thermometer and sponge, and probably leds now that you put the idea in my head.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:41 AM   #17
 
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Wanna see some tanks that are a lil more filled with plants? Cause I consider my 10 g's VERY lightly planted here's some of my 55's and 45's...
The hairgrass one I only put in 2x hairgrass, 1x Stargrass and 2 Java's
Geez, I figure I'll be waiting ages to get anything that doesn't look empty from my two 3"x5"~ patches of java moss and my small "bunch" of java fern that are coming in next week.

Oh well, only time will tell.
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Old 05-12-2010, 03:37 PM   #18
 
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Ages? Def NOT I built the Java moss wall for a standard 10g started with 1/4 cup of Java moss then built half the wall and about 3-4 weeks later off of its growth the 2nd half and now its covering the entire back wall and sticks out into the tank ranging 2-3".
With the right light/spectrum and proper nutrition (fert) as I keep on saying, plants will thrive in no time at all and then you'll sit and trim & clip each weekend to keep it from taking over everything. That goes for any plant not just java moss btw
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:45 PM   #19
 
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Ages? Def NOT I built the Java moss wall for a standard 10g started with 1/4 cup of Java moss then built half the wall and about 3-4 weeks later off of its growth the 2nd half and now its covering the entire back wall and sticks out into the tank ranging 2-3".
With the right light/spectrum and proper nutrition (fert) as I keep on saying, plants will thrive in no time at all and then you'll sit and trim & clip each weekend to keep it from taking over everything. That goes for any plant not just java moss btw
Well, I would prefer not to be fertilizing in the long run, since I'm trying to keep as low tech as possible on everything, and with the lowest cost, but does it seem like if i were to fertilize in the beginning to get things to a close point to what I want, and then cut off fertilizing they would still do okay just with slower growth, or does it seem like they would get a shock from losing their fertilizers and have problems?

Although if fertilizing isn't too expensive i suppose I wouldn't have much arguments against it, with java moss/fern would there be a suggested fertilizer?
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Old 05-12-2010, 08:25 PM   #20
 
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I don't fert in no tanks neither and most def not in my shrimp tanks. What I meant with the nutrition's either you have a well enough combo of good quality source water/ co2, mulm built up etc so that your plants will do well like in my tanks cases; or if you are lacking certain nutrition you'll need to supplement with what the pet store sells which you'll notice by slow / no growth, holes in leaves, yellow leaves etc.

I'd not rec starting dosing fert's now and then stop them that'll def not go down well with your plants to just stop the extra food for them one day. Just plant, ensure you have a proper light like I said around 6500 Kelvin and not too high watt's in relation to your tank size (eg. my 55g has 30w t8 over it) and see what your plants do from there and go from there. "Worst" case you'll need to buy one bottle of 'Flourish comprehensive' (which is the fert i'd recommend in any case if anything is used) a year and that's like $8-10 somewhere's in that range, so NOT a budget killer by no means.

If you main thing for your tank is going to be Java moss I'd REALLY not worry about ferts at all!! From my yrs of experience now plants that thrive in just about the "worst" of conditions are plants like java moss, pennywort, vallis, hygrophilia, rotala - Just to name a few since I don't know what size tank you wanna built. But if the main thing is the Java moss pfffftt forget the fert IMO seriously
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