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Malaysiant trumpet snail only tank?
Old 05-09-2010, 05:02 PM   #1
 
Malaysiant trumpet snail only tank?

Hey guyes, I'm going to be getting some malaysian trumpet snails for my 55 gallon tank, and I was curious if they would be able to live on their owns permanently.

I'm not worried about the 55 gallon, since they won't be in there alone for very long, but I was thinking of how it would be to put a few of them into this 1 gallon mini aquarium I have.

I figured I could put an inch of my playsand in the bottom of it, and I didn't think a heater or filter would be necessary, but if I do need a filter, i would just go with a small sponge filter if anything.


The tank just has a small light bulb for display, but with only a gallon of water, i think the bulb might possibly sustain a little bit of java moss/fern if I put it in there too, but thats something else I'm curious of.


I have seen all over about how easy it is to keep them going, and even how hard it is to get rid of them, but thats always in an established tank, so I wasn't sure if anyone had experience, or even thought of doing a snail only tank.


I really don't want to use the 1g for even a betta, although maybe a couple shrimp would be okay in there, but even that i don't know about, and snails seemed like they would be fine as far as a gallon being enough, so i was just curious to see if anyone had any input.


I could maybe switch decorations out from time to time between the snail tank and my tank, so they had algae to eat, or maybe feed them with crushed up flake food in very small amounts or something, or if I ever did have shrimp, it would seem like I could just take care of the shrimp, and the snails would just kind of do their own thing.



Any thoughts are appreciated!
Thanks

(just checked and it's a 7 watt incandescent bulb, I suppose it would be 7 watts to the 1 gallon so in that theory it should work, but I don't know how well that calculation works in extremely small figures like 1 gallon or 7 watts.)

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Old 05-09-2010, 07:18 PM   #2
 
Well, I have the 1 gallon with some playsand in it, a few little rocks, and a fake plant just for my own greed for the time being.


Before it has anything living in it, the fake plant will be gone, and I might try and cover the back wall with java moss(it is a triangle tank)

It is the aquaview 1 gallon tank, that seems to have sucked in many a potential fish hobbyist, but it seems to be unsuitable for even a betta's happiness. it does however have a kind of neat design, as it is a triangle shape, but it has two extra walls(so I guess it's more pentagonal) which are short and in the back of it, and I was thinking it would be very easy, and not bothersome to me to have a small airstone on one wall, and a small sponge filter on the other, so I'd kind of like that idea if this project even seemed plausible.


I plan on sticking with the playsand, and possibly adding topsoil underneath(was reading into walstad, but don't know how much it would help me since I plan on having the sponge now, and I have no problem with regular water changes, and it seems that that thick layer of soil would leave me with no room for water lol)


I would still be going with snails, java fern, and java moss, but if I have it set up how I'm thinking with the sponge and airstone, does anyone think that the gallon would be suitable enough for two cherry shrimp or so?

I plan on turning my 10 gallon into a mini community tank with shrimp, snails, a small school of brass tetra(I think these were the ones that had a flourescent blue tip on their fins) and possibly a betta, but the fish I'm still unsure of, need to figure out what can do well together in a ten gallon.
I also considered possibly having the shrimp snails, and only a betta in the tank, and not bothering with other fish, but thats still a little while off.



So back to the actual question, does a 1 gallon tank, with a small airstone and a small sponge filter, with java moss and java fern, playsand, and a few small rocks, and some malaysian trumpet snails, as well as one to five cherry red shrimp seem at all sustainable?


Thanks to anyone, and sorry for the double post, just thought of some more things after throwing it together.


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Old 05-10-2010, 05:14 AM   #3
 
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An MTS-only tank sounds...well, I'll be honest: it sounds pretty boring. MTS burrow through the substrate so if you had a sandy bottom, you'd basically be looking at a tank full of water with no visible life in it. Not to slight MTS - they're great critters - but I would want something more interesting in there if it were my tank. I think shrimp could work (maybe 5-10 cherry shrimp).
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:15 AM   #4
 
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If that's the set up you want, go for it!!!

As far as adding shrimp to the tank for the "view" then you'd need to do more to the tank then what's there now, live plants and a sponge filter. That said however I'd rather add ghost shrimp then red cherry as they will not over populate the small 1g in no time and run out of room; for a good group of shrimp with room to grow you'd look at at least 3g tank.
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:35 AM   #5
 
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If that's the set up you want, go for it!!!

As far as adding shrimp to the tank for the "view" then you'd need to do more to the tank then what's there now, live plants and a sponge filter. That said however I'd rather add ghost shrimp then red cherry as they will not over populate the small 1g in no time and run out of room; for a good group of shrimp with room to grow you'd look at at least 3g tank.
That fake plants really there just for looks until I have my stuff, I plan on having java fern and moss in there if it can live, and I've been thinking since I have those two random 2" walls in the back, I wouldn't mind throwing a sponge on one of them.

I do plan on having my 10 gallon as a shrimp farm once my goldfish are in the 55 gallon tank, so I figured I could keep any overcrowding shrimp in that, as I would really just love having one to maybe 4 or 5 shrimp in this mini tank(depending on how many could live happily in there)
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:37 AM   #6
 
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An MTS-only tank sounds...well, I'll be honest: it sounds pretty boring. MTS burrow through the substrate so if you had a sandy bottom, you'd basically be looking at a tank full of water with no visible life in it. Not to slight MTS - they're great critters - but I would want something more interesting in there if it were my tank. I think shrimp could work (maybe 5-10 cherry shrimp).
Would a one gallon tank really be big enough for 5-10 cherry shrimp??

I think it would be awesome to have 5 or more in the little tank, I would just be worried about their well-being.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:30 PM   #7
 
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Rather then repeating I'd really suggest to read over this http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...keeping-37012/

I've been breeding RCS for many yrs now and I'd def not suggest that particular shrimp nor the group of 10 for a 1g tank, just be a lil more patient and set up the 10g for them, the breeding end result will be worth it trust me. Unfortunately its often wrongly assumed that shrimp contrary to fish "don't need no room" and that's not the case as they're VERY active lil buggers.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:30 PM   #8
 
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Rather then repeating I'd really suggest to read over this http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...keeping-37012/

I've been breeding RCS for many yrs now and I'd def not suggest that particular shrimp nor the group of 10 for a 1g tank, just be a lil more patient and set up the 10g for them, the breeding end result will be worth it trust me. Unfortunately its often wrongly assumed that shrimp contrary to fish "don't need no room" and that's not the case as they're VERY active lil buggers.
If I was a little unclear, I plan on doing this all around the same timeframe, once the snails and plants get here, i would be putting some into the one gallon tank, and in the 55 gallon tank, then after a short while, the goldfish would be going to the 55 gallon tank, and at the same time I would get the shrimp for the 10 gallon tank, I would mainly be breeding and raising the shrimp in the 10 gallon tank, as it is already established, a good size tank, and I will have it freed up.

But I would like to be able to keep just several, like I mentioned I figured 1-5 depending on how healthy it would be for them, in the 1 gallon tank, less for breeding purposes, more just for a nice tank to have thats a little less crowded and complicated, but that would be after the 1 gallon is cycled, which would probably be after the 10 gallon is already set up for breeding.

i would not be taking a berried female from the 10 gallon for it, but rather try to take one male and one female, and put them into the 1 gallon, and if anything happened, let things take their course.



Although I haven't done a ton of research, it seemed that cherry red shrimp were the easiest to breed, so I'm not sure if you're just saying they would not be suggested for the 1 gallon, or if you just wouldn't suggest them at all.

I've looked into amano shrimp a little bit, and it seems that they are very hard to breed, and involve brackish water to do so, and although it's still a long time, the several year lifespan seems like it would just be too short if I only had the one or two shrimp.


I figured more of breeding the shrimp in my 10 gallon, and if they could be healthy, keeping a small number of them in the 1 gallon, rather than trying to breed them in the 1 gallon or anything silly like that.


Does it seem like 2 red cherry shrimp would be able to live a decent life in a 1 gallon tank with good conditions?
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Old 05-11-2010, 05:20 AM   #9
 
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I don't see why not.
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Old 05-11-2010, 07:23 AM   #10
 
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Got ya!
10g is perfect for them. And yes I meant not ideal to keep a group/ breed in a 1g spc since its not cycled yet cause they're extremely sensitive to NO's. But yea a established 10g sounds perfect. What kinda filter do you have on the 10g now? I pref sponge filters to breed shrimp so they don't get sucked in any filter, but if you have a HOB or alike just pull a sock/ cloth etc over the intake to make it safe.

You can add RCS to the 1g as well once established and just 'scoop' out any newcomers. Personally I wouldn't wanna have 2 tanks set up with the same shrimp I'd do RCS in the 10g and maybe Ghost in the 1g or something like that, know what I mean? Just different one's to look at...

Just like with fish, whether you get RCS or any other one, the key is always good quality water (NO copper in the water!!!!) and some good quality food (but don't overfeed) and just like with fish everything will do fine from there on. Shrimp in general just react much quicker and more extreme to anything 'unusual' in the water may that be a rise in NO's because its not established or Copper from old water lines.

What I like for the breeder tanks is "walls" made from Java moss, the baby's hide in there and feel safe and once they're a few mm big you'll find them coming out of there; generally the more plants are in their set up's the better for them/ the water quality.
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