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post #31 of 73 Old 12-09-2008, 11:03 AM
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well the shark can grow to around 6in (15 cm)and will probably be agressive.
i have not owned one so perhaps other people will let you know how they
get's ment to have a planted tank,with wood and caves to hide in.
i guess it all depends on what you want :)
corydora catfish are fun to keep,small plecs,tetras.livebarers.
that list can be housed together,however i'm not the one to reccomend stock levels.
and most of those fish apart from the plec need to be in a reasonable size group
to get the best show from them.
perhaps make a "wish list" and the other members will help sort out the best and the amount.

when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.
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post #32 of 73 Old 12-11-2008, 07:13 PM
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This is a 40g tank? There are a heck of a lot of fish options for a tank of that size, so I'll agree with willow in that you should get yourself a wish list of fish you like, and we can tell you which ones will work out. Is this a 40g breeder? Let me see if I can find a thread where a TON of awesome suggestions were given...

Here we go. This was written by our member tophat665, so if you use any of these, be sure to thank him:
What kind of 40 is it? Long, wide, or high? That'll be a good place to start.

What kind of water do you have? Hard or soft? Sour or Basic? That's a good place to start too, because it's best to go with fish that will thrive in your tapwater with minimal treatment.

Do you plan on planting it? What kind of lighting do you have? What kind of filtration do you want to put on it? What kind of substrate? All of these will suggest stocking schemes that are better than others.

Do you have any other fish? Have you seen anything that you like and really want to have. Given a single fish as a starting point it's fun and easy to build a tank around it (if it will fit at all).

All that said, did I have an extra 40 gallon lying around (and strangely enough, I do) I would be thinking about one of the following:

A small Lake tanganyika community. A big rockpile in the middle with some Julidochromis transcriptus, a shell field on each side with two species of dwarf shell dwellers, one on each side, and if I were feeling really wealthy that week, a small group of Synodontis petricola. Maybe a black calvus to keep the fry population down. Plant the back of the tank with vallisnera (shielding the roots with rocks or the shellies will dig them up). I'll probably put a large, double well HOB and a smaller cannister filter on this, and put crushed coral in one or both.

Another thought is to use some reddish stone and driftwood on each end to create a Montana Badlands sort of look, put in a dozen or 15 tiger barbs and a half dozen Skunk Loaches.

For a neutral wanter set up, some medium gravel, driftwood, and stones to divide the floor of the tank into at least three pieces (no plants in this), and put in a half dozen young Jewel cichlids. Treat them well and they will breed.

A brackish tank, with the floor laid out to look like a WW I battlefield (complete with toy soldiers) and a couple of Figure 8 puffers to play the part of Blimps (and a half dozen bumblebee gobies to pop out of foxholes).

Using styrofoam and concrete, make inserts for the top, back, bottom, and sides of the tank too make it look like a cave. Put down dark sand as the substrate. Put in 8 or so blind cave tetras, a shoal of albino cories, and an albino bristlenosed pleco. Light it with red LEDs.

Set up an Iwagumi tank, with short plants (I'd use Saggitaria subulata) in a fine substrate heaped and sloped around an odd number of large rocks. Put in 3 otocinculus, a half dozen cherry shrimp, and 40 neon tetras.

Howabout a tank of long, skinny fish - farlowella or rineloricaria whiptailed catfish, beckford's pencilfish, and kuhli loaches.

Or you could go with any number of simple communities: Tetras and Cories and (small) Plecos, maybe with some dwarf cichlids. Gouramis and Cherry barbs and Zebra loaches. Dwarf Rainbowfish and Peacock Gudgeons. Firemouths and Swordtails (with a small pleco).

Convicts make for a nice species tank. So do Neolamprologus brichardi or lelupi (The latter two are good in a larger Tanganyika community, but would probably do best in a species tank in a 40.)

I hope there's something you can use there.
About the shark: a 40g tank should be fine for a red tailed black shark or a red-finned (also called rainbow) shark. These guys are incredibly aggressive against their own species so only get one of either type (the two species don't get along with each other, either). They're also known to get in disputes with other territorial bottom dwelling fish, but should be fine with any mid to top dwelling fish and any peaceful bottom dwellers.

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post #33 of 73 Old 12-11-2008, 10:14 PM Thread Starter
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Its a 40 gallon, 36" wide, 20" tall and 12 deep. Its a euro curved front. (i think thats what its called)

I need to test the water. I dont think its hard though. I think we have a softner.

Planting im assuming live plants, I would rather not mess with that for my first tank. I have a light that came with the tank. I have a tetra ex45 filter. Im planning on doing artificial rock/driftwood and plants. Nothing is in there yet.

I dont have any fish yet. I really like the red tailed shark, i think its interesting and have always been facinated with sharks. I also want some kind of algae eating fish to help control algae.

The shark im talking about is Epalzeorhynchos bicolor not Epalzeorhynchos frenatus. One is the black shark with red tail, the other is a rainbow shark

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post #34 of 73 Old 12-11-2008, 10:35 PM Thread Starter
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Redtail Shark (one)
72-79 F, pH 6.5-7.5, KH 10-15

Clown Loach (one maybe a pair)
72-86 F, pH 6.0-7.5, KH 8-12

Tiger Barb (A couple to school)
74-79 F, pH 6.0-7.0, KH 4-10

I need a plec that can live in those specs as well. I dont wanna spend alot of money on a plec though TBH.

I like colorfull fish. lololol. I got this info off another site. Another site i was reading on said i should be fine with loaches, plecs, and barbs. Anything else i might look into? I dont want to overstock either.

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post #35 of 73 Old 12-12-2008, 12:34 AM
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Don't get the loaches. Clown loaches get absolutely huge - 12" or more, I've seen 15" lunkers - and need to be in schools of six or more to thrive. I would stick to a smaller species of loach, like Botio kubotai or Botia striata. Both need to be kept in groups of at least six. There *could* be problems between any sort of loach and the red-tailed shark, so watch out for it and be prepared to move or return some fish if need be. The tiger barbs should work fine, but you'd want a school of at least six of them. The more the merrier, actually. Any of the smaller pleco species like the bristlenose, clown or rubber lip plecos should be fine. Just be sure you put some driftwood in the tank for the pleco to gnaw on. Also, between the shark, the pleco, and the loaches, be sure you've got *plenty* of caves and other hiding spaces so that everyone can be happy. Lots of rock piles would be great.

In a tank your size, I would say you could get away with the shark, a half dozen of the loaches I mentioned, the small pleco, and a dozen tiger barbs.

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post #36 of 73 Old 12-12-2008, 04:52 PM Thread Starter
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Alright, i has plants and rocks. I added my fish food. How many days should i be adding it?

I also got my test kit and obviously everything will be 0 but my PH and high range PH are kinda high. its 7.6 and 8.2 How do i lower this? or will it lower once it cycles

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post #37 of 73 Old 12-13-2008, 10:31 AM Thread Starter
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little update on my tank.

plenty of rock and hiding.

This is really starting to add up. lol. I think ive paid about $400 for everything but the fish, tank, and stand. Thank god im on the last leg. lol
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post #38 of 73 Old 12-15-2008, 09:46 AM
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If you get a red tailed shark there are some ways to keep him happy and docile.

1) Lots of hiding places. The RTBS will pick out a territory centered on a good hiding spot like a cave or piece of driftwood. He will then defend it. Problems occur in RTBS tanks when another territorial bottom dweller is added, the two will butt heads and it will probably result in the death of one of the fish. Due to the shape of my tank I had to give up on my idea of both a RTBS and a pair of german blue rams.
2) Lots of cover. Its a good idea to have a lot of cover in your tank, plants and things of that nature that break up sight lines through the tank. This will help to keep the RTBS's territory to as small a size as possible since he knows he can't defend what he can't see.
3) Get the shark young. Don't be tempted by the 3 or 4 inch specimens you might see. Find the smallest healthy looking shark you can and buy them. A small young shark is going to be less aggressive then an older large one. If he starts out in the tank small with the other fish he can grow up feeling secure and used to the other inhabitants and will be less likely to lash out at them.
4) Add him last. By adding your RTBS last it lets other fish stake out their territories. It also brings the shark into an established tank with fish already in it. He'll be more cautious. If the shark goes in first there's a good chance he will decide the entire tank is his, and that's not good for your other fish.
5) Add ONE. I can't stress this enough. One shark, regardless of the variety, is it. Red tailed, Rainbow, Albino, pick one and only one. They are not a social species and will regard another shark as a threat. Think male betta here.

A few other things, RTBS are not unlike corys, they're bottom feeding scavengers. The kind of diet that you feed a cory is pretty solid for a RTBS though some vegetable matter is good as the RTBS is an omnivore.

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post #39 of 73 Old 12-15-2008, 10:02 AM Thread Starter
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I really appreciate the insight, especially since i see that you own an RTBS. I was reading your blog/site the other day. Very interesting.

Thankfully, Most of what you said adds up to what i had read in many other places. Do you think i will have any problems with the fish i mentioned getting earlier? With the picture i provided should i be ok as far as enough hiding places and what not that he will be ok?

Luckily, the place where im going to get him has alot of young RTBS's. How can i tell if they are healthy? Obviously if they are upside down floating at the top of the tank they arent healthy, but what should i be looking for.
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post #40 of 73 Old 12-15-2008, 10:19 AM
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The loaches, I'd stay away from. They can get to be monsters and you need triple digit gallonage to deal with a herd of clown loaches properly. Tiger barbs are semi-aggressive fin nippers. The good news is that they are similar to serpae tetras to a degree. They are mid level swimmers which means they are not likely to cross pathes with the shark to the point the get into territory disputes. Second if kept in large enough groups their fin nipping is generally contained amongst themselves. A RTBS's fins aren't flowing enough to get the barbs undying attention. I'd say be careful with it, after you add the RTBS watch it and the tiger barbs closely to see if they go after him. If you keep tiger barbs keep at least six, preferably more, in order to keep them happy and fighting amongst themselves.

Unfortunately there's no way to make sure the fish you bring home is truly healthy. That's what quarantine is for. In the store look for this:

1) Fins, perked up and not ragged. Clamped fins are a sign of a stressed fish, disease, tank conditions, having a bad day, whatever, it's not a good sign. Ragged fins could mean disease like fin rot, but in a RTBS tank it could just mean that fish gets picked on a lot. Getting picked on is not a deal breaker but you can't prove the cause of the ragged fins so move on.
2) No visible problems. Given their condition at sale (tweaked because of very sub par living conditions) your shark is unlikely to be dark black with a vivid red tail. My little girl was gray with a clear tail by the time she got home. What you're looking for are sores, injuries, or any white spots or visible parasites. If you see those walk away.
3) Tankmates. Don't confine your search to just the one fish you're looking at. Give everyone in the tank a once over. Like a kindergarten class room if one of them gets something they are all likely too. If you see another fish in the tank with white spots do not buy any fish from that tank. If the shop uses centralized filtration I wouldn't buy any fish from them period as the ich or whitespot could infect the entire shop. If you see diseased fish or worse dead ones in the tank you should probably either walk away or invest in a QT tank, but walk away is the best course. Really you should invest in a QT tank regardless.

Most of all be picky. Don't just take what's available. These are going to be your fish. They're going to be a considerable investment of time, money, and eventually a bit of emotion a well.

Glad you like my blog, I've sort of committed to posting whatever happens with my tanks. As a consequence my screw ups are posted right along side my triumphs. My little girl is doing very well. I'm sure she's a girl at this point because she's darkened up nicely but her belly is still a bit gray. She's a total wuss though, the neons in the QT with her can scare her away. She's my pride and joy and one of the big reasons I decided to start keeping fish. Less than a week and she's going in my main tank, I can't wait.

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