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Old 11-27-2012, 05:15 PM   #11
 
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We still have lots of room left so I was thinking of getting something a little bigger than the gourami. I was worried the RTS would cause a problem too but we were lucky and got a really peaceful one, it doesnt bother anything.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:23 PM   #12
 
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We still have lots of room left so I was thinking of getting something a little bigger than the gourami. I was worried the RTS would cause a problem too but we were lucky and got a really peaceful one, it doesnt bother anything.
I'm glad your RTS is peaceful so far. I have one as well. Just be aware some of them get more cantankerous with age.

I totally understand wanting one good sized centerpiece fish. I was looking for the same thing when I got my first 55, though I ended up getting a school of Rainbowfish instead. They are colorful, get to a decent size, and get along with everyone.

In my other 55 I have 4 Silver Dollars which are big and make a nice centerpiece, however they are pretty timid and I would be worried about the RTS harassing them at some point. They get along great with any peaceful fish though. I have some tetras and a gourami in with them, among others.

I would be cautious getting anything too big, as neons and endlers might become food for any fish with a big enough mouth, even if they are a "peaceful" fish.

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Old 11-27-2012, 06:36 PM   #13
 
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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet, is the water parameters? There are already fish with differing needs included, so this should be checked into before the issue is further complicated. What is the GH, KH and pH of the tap water? I will assume the tank is much the same unless you correct my assumption.

Second issue, the Red Tailed Shark may well be an issue, as someone mentioned. This fish should be in a 4-foot tank at minimum (your 200 litre/50 g may be 4 feet?), with no other substrate fish. In spite of this, they often take a disliking to certain upper fish as they age, and can be a real menace particularly in small (to them) spaces.

To the addition of fish, I would base this on the water params, and if any of the present fish may be removed as a result of whatever. Fixing pending issues now is better for the fish than compounding them later.

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:28 PM   #14
 
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GH normally around 10
KH normally around 7
pH normally around 7-7.4
Temp is kept 26-27C
We currently have a burst water main, so they are pumping tankers full of water from elsewhere into our system. Water permitters are a bit hit and miss at the moment but thats what they usually are. (driving my crazy)

Based on the fish profiles on this site the only fish that don't really suite is the neons. Any problems you can see please let me know, didnt think I was doing to bad! :(

Our tank is 3"8' long. If he causes any problems in time to come they told me that I am welcome to take him back to the store and as long as he is in good condition they will refund me(not that the refund matters). He is already the biggest thing in there though!

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:45 PM   #15
 
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Also a quick question, I have just checked and discovered that my mollies (purchased Sunday) are 2 males and 1 female - not 2 females and 1 male like I asked for!!
This is going to cause me a problem isnt it?
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:45 PM   #16
 
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GH normally around 10
KH normally around 7
pH normally around 7-7.4
Temp is kept 26-27C
We currently have a burst water main, so they are pumping tankers full of water from elsewhere into our system. Water permitters are a bit hit and miss at the moment but thats what they usually are. (driving my crazy)

Based on the fish profiles on this site the only fish that don't really suite is the neons. Any problems you can see please let me know, didnt think I was doing to bad! :(

Our tank is 3"8' long. If he causes any problems in time to come they told me that I am welcome to take him back to the store and as long as he is in good condition they will refund me(not that the refund matters). He is already the biggest thing in there though!
I will assume the GH is in degrees, so 10 dGH. That is fine (except for the neons, as you correctly mentioned). The molly must have mineral in the water, and should be fine with 10 dGH. Same for the Endler actually. Hopefully the pH won't drop below 7, as neither of these fish will fare well for long if it does. I would be tempted even to raise it a tad to be safe, say 7.5; a couple tablespoons of crushed coral/aragonite gravel in the filter would do this.

I don't want to beat the RTS issue any more, but... watch out. And with that space, if he were to go, you could have some nice substrate fish from the smaller loaches, more corys, etc. Which reminds me, the RTS may take a sudden dislike to those corys. It would be better for the poor fish as well as your future tank to remove the RTS now rather than wait for trouble.

So to the initial question of other fish. Staying with fish that prefer medium hard and basic water, rainbowfish are an option. I would not risk gourami; the smaller species are delicate and unsuited to basic water, and the larger can be real trouble.

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Old 11-28-2012, 05:59 PM   #17
 
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yes sorry the GH is in degrees! I havent seen the pH drop below 7, our water is pretty consistent. (except now and I'm keeping an eye on it)
"crushed coral/aragonite gravel" is that just like a type of regular gravel? I've never heard of putting anything like that in a filter! How often would it have to be changed? (if ever)
I will watch the RTS for now and hope for the best, I have been paying particular attention to it.

Do you mean the Boeseman Rainbowfish? I looked it up in the profiles and thats the biggest species.

Thank you Byron!
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:04 PM   #18
 
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yes sorry the GH is in degrees! I havent seen the pH drop below 7, our water is pretty consistent. (except now and I'm keeping an eye on it)
"crushed coral/aragonite gravel" is that just like a type of regular gravel? I've never heard of putting anything like that in a filter! How often would it have to be changed? (if ever)
I will watch the RTS for now and hope for the best, I have been paying particular attention to it.

Do you mean the Boeseman Rainbowfish? I looked it up in the profiles and thats the biggest species.

Thank you Byron!
I keep Boesmani, Red Irian, and Lake Kubutu (which is a blue) Rainbowfish. They're all gorgeous. As the mature they grow tall as well as long. Their colors are stunning.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:09 PM   #19
 
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yes sorry the GH is in degrees! I havent seen the pH drop below 7, our water is pretty consistent. (except now and I'm keeping an eye on it)
"crushed coral/aragonite gravel" is that just like a type of regular gravel? I've never heard of putting anything like that in a filter! How often would it have to be changed? (if ever)
I will watch the RTS for now and hope for the best, I have been paying particular attention to it.

Do you mean the Boeseman Rainbowfish? I looked it up in the profiles and thats the biggest species.

Thank you Byron!
There are many species of rainbowfish, only three so far in our profiles; avoid the small delicate threadfin. Check online for other species, they are available in stores from time to time and they are colourful and peaceful as far as I can remember.

Marine tank aquarists use calcareous sand (or sometimes gravel) in their tanks to keep the GH and pH high. Same will work for rift lake cichlids, and livebearers, if one has very soft water. But I used to buffer the pH in my tanks with about 2 or 3 tablespoons of this gravel in a mesh bag in the top filter basket. Depending upon the filter, if it has compartments for media, this can go in there. It is easier and less bother putting it in the filter as opposed to mixing some in the substrate, because you don't want too much but you want sufficient to do something; adjusting the amount in a filter is much easier than trying to remove it if mixed in the substrate.

CarribSea make a few of these, in various grades of sand and gravel. The gravel works best in filters and it is unlikely to get out of the mesh bag. A spoonful might raise the pH to the mid-high 7's, you have to experiment as it depends upon the tank. Once it is stable it will last for years. I used to use dolomite, which is actually better if you can get it, and about half a cup or less in the filter of my 115g tank kept the pH at a steady 6.2-6.4 when the tap water and tank would be down at 5 or less if not targeted.

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Old 11-30-2012, 12:05 PM   #20
 
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Thank you Byron, I have to go back to the fish store tomorrow since the idiot gave me 2male and 1 female molly instead of 2females and 1 male so I will ask that rainbowfish they have/can get, they told me before that they can get almost anything but I may have to wait a few weeks. I will also look for the gravel unless I can steal a little bit from a friend!

Thanks again,
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