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Old 12-11-2013, 01:35 PM   #11
 
Wow, those silver dollars ARE in bad shape. The smaller white one is a tetra. I am not sure about the algae eater, I can't say I've ever seen one like that.
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Old 12-12-2013, 02:18 AM   #12
 
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If you can't find an established tank to hold your fish , I would rely on daily water changes to keep the water livable while the cycling becomes stable. Usualy takes 3-4 weeks for me. I think 25% change will allow cycle to complete and keep ammonia/ nitrite from killing the fish. It is best to cycle with no fish but you may have a hard time rehoming your dollars till after they heal.
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Old 12-12-2013, 02:40 AM   #13
 
Hi guys, thanks for comments and suggestions, keep them coming. Okay, so day 3. Ph is still on the rise. 8.0, ammonia rose to 1.0, nitrite rose to .50 and nitrate jumped to 5.0 from 2.5 how is my tank looking?? Normal?? Should I be worried?? I did a 25% water change today to drop some if the ammonia and nitrite. Should I do mire or is 25% okay?? On a side note I need a siphon. These damn buckets are killing me. What do you guys suggest?? I doubt everyone here is using the buckets like me.
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Old 12-12-2013, 03:20 AM   #14
 
What are your readings now that the water change has been done? Any ammonia and nitrite readings are bad. Anything over 20 ppm of nitrate is bad. Do me a favor and fill a cup with tap water. Let it sit out for 24 hours and test the pH of the water. I'm thinking the pH rise is just due to the gas exchange/mini cycle in combination. Your pH goes all over the boards during a cycle.
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Old 12-12-2013, 03:21 AM   #15
 
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If your readings of ammomia and nitrite are the same tommorow, increase the amount of water you change. Gotta keep those down or its hurting the fish. Ph is not as important as your other readings right now
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Old 12-12-2013, 03:36 AM   #16
 
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For water changes, a lot of people use a product called Python (
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) or Aqueon Water Changer (
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You can also rig up something similar with tubing and faucet adapters, which is what I did. I just drain old water out into the bushes or the tub.
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Old 12-12-2013, 04:02 AM   #17
 
Or go to a mattress store and ask for a water bed filling hose. They are MUUUUCH cheaper. (;
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Old 12-12-2013, 05:46 AM   #18
 
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If you've got an AquaClear power filter I've got media for you, and am located in Chicago, SW side just outside city limits in Evergreen Park. Good thing the day job is busy, went to bed early, early start, so I didn't hit tank maintenance last night. Feel free to send me a PM, I've got enough filter floss on hand to at least give the tank a serious jump start, if not eliminate the cycling issue. I usually just toss it, unless someone needs it for a newly set up tank, easily half a dozen tanks out of 20something I can pull it from.

Until then, 50% water changes at least every other day, triple dose Prime for the entire tank volume. Ignore pH, this will fluctuate in a cycling tank. If you're on Chicago's water supply your gH out of the tap will sit around 180, pH of 7.6.

There's lots of tricks for easy water changes, many depend on how close the tank is located to a faucet & drain. The local hardware store is your friend, if you're a bit handy there's plenty of time & back saving things you can do.
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Old 12-12-2013, 06:14 AM   #19
 
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Your smaller white fish is a white skirt tetra, and it's possible you have albino ottos, they look like ottos. =)

Now, your tank is cycling, so prepare for things to spike around as they're already doing. Since they're rising like that, I'd suggest you do two water changes per day, morning and evening of about 30%. See if that helps.

Secondly...danios absolutely cannot live in ten gallon tanks, that's pet shop advice of the worst kind! They need 20 gallon long tanks as an ABSOLUTE minimum, and that's still not even preferable to the fish. Danios -need- swimming space, they like to swim and are schoolers that need groups of six or more, a ten gallon can't even support one properly let alone a school. -Preferable- to the fish, healthy for the fish, would be a 30+ gallon -long- tank. Too many put the poor things, especially the glow ones, in these tiny tanks, but they will die and be unhappy...it's possible in THIS tank, but with the shape, again, really just wouldn't recommend it. You can get them if you really want to, it sounds like you'll do your best to care for them, but be ready for some issues, they may do just fine or they may not...

As for the apple snails, I'd also rehome them. Either them or the ottos, but I'd suggest losing the apple snails since they get HUGE and there may not be enough food for everyone. The mystery snail should be ok. How many ottos did you say you had again? They need groups of five or more, just so you know. It may be better to rehome them as well and just get a few mystery snails to go with the one you have. Every last fish in there needs a group of five or more, I'm not sure what that guy was thinking.

I really wouldn't recommend danios for that tank, but why not take the kids to the shop and show them guppies or endlers livebearers? Those two fish can go in there. Platies are a might. Cardinal tetras again are a might....Your ottos I think are ok, the other fish should really be rehomed as soon as possible. You could probably take them to a shop that accepts fish and explain to them what's going on. Look at photos online of some guppies or endlers, there are several different species.

With Endlers you could get 10-15 of them in there of your color choice(guppies...probably don't want more than ten), they come in a lot of colors, they're very small(barely an inch for males, about an inch or a little more for the colorless females who you don't need if you ant no breeding), and males get along with each other just fine. I would highly recommend Endlers over anything else for that tank, they're small enough that the shape and smaller length in some areas wont bug them and they look good.

Keep in mind livebearers(like endlers, guppies, platies) breed like rats. If you don't want babies, and I really recommend NOT since they can have 5-100 babies per month, I'd suggest you get all males. All males can do just fine with guppies or endlers, Endlers again being better and less aggressive. Guppies may chew on each other, but aside from a few tail nips usually do fine in bachelor groups.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:15 AM   #20
 
Hi guys thanks for the advice, really appreciate it. Ok so Flint, I actually have some water sitting now for my next water change. I will check my numbers tonight when I get home from work and let you know what my levels are at and the ph of the water before it goes in tank too.
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