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Old 12-15-2006, 06:11 PM   #11
 
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[quote="bettababy"]I may be able to help you to understand some of your questions. The higer cost for the tank raised fishes, as with clownfish in saltwater, is due to the larval state, and the expense of the process of tank raising them. Some species of fish are not as easy to tank raise, and the expense of doing it has to show up somewhere if we want them to be continued as tank raised. quote]

So, what is the better option -- considering the population and habitat wild fish come from and the business of tank raising fish -- is it better to purchase wild or tank raised? And does it vary by type of fish?
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:27 PM   #12
 
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Blue, how much is your peso compared to the US dollar? (I can then convert it to the CDN dollar) 8)
As of today, a US dollar is equivalent to 49.40 pesos.:) 49 pesos and 40 centavos that is.:)
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what?!!? are you serious????....

....you use pesos in the phillipines???
What else can we use? Dollars? Won't work with politicians making controversies which is shaking the economy. Politicians? Dirty word.
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Sorry if I sound like I'm preaching, but having worked with it for so long, I really think that awareness is the only way its ever going to really change. I feel obligated to enlighten customers to the amount of control they really have in the fish industry. I figure if not me, then who will?
Of course not.:) I took everything wholeheartedly.:) I know your post is right. Oh and the leporinus are 3 inches at the moment with about 10 6-inches rainbows. So overstocked.
One tank now contains about 50 3-inches goldfish and the tank's size os barely 40 gallons.
The owner talks in a sarcastic manner. Like he knows everything. Does he really know everything when some of the package he sells contain sick fish.
He is more of a lunatic for trying to sell me even a stingray last June which I had refused because my tanks will not accommodate it quite well.

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750pesos what the ?!?!?!?! i dont even no if high or low price
'Tis very expensive for a Siamese Tigerfish. I would guessed it should only be 600-700.
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Albino rummy-nose tetra are probably more expensive than the original strain because they are not as common!
Yes, but this one is way too overpriced. No one can buy extremely sensitive fish like them.
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Red sevs are becoming quite common in the uk.
Thanks, Daz. Might as well ask the Manilans on how much red sevs cost in their area. I have 3 friends from Manila whom I have been in touch for long.
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Old 12-16-2006, 12:25 AM   #13
 
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So, what is the better option -- considering the population and habitat wild fish come from and the business of tank raising fish -- is it better to purchase wild or tank raised? And does it vary by type of fish?
I have to admit, even though it can be more expensive, I prefer the tank raised fish because its better for the environment. Some tank raised fish are less expensive because they are easily bred. Convict cichlids are a good example of that, along with fancy guppys, mollys, etc. etc.
Some people claim that wild fish are more colorful, and in SOME cases, that is true, but that is largely based on diet, so if we learn to mimic the diet from the wild habitat, they can be almost as colorful. I've done this with rams, and my tank bred rams were as colorful as any strain of wild rams I have seen yet.
There are other differences with tank raised vs wild caught fishes... such as immune system, aggression levels, and even instincts. In saltwater fish... tank raised clownfish seldom will host in an anemone because that is a learned trait, not instinctual. It's a matter of doing research on the fish you want and the fish that are available, how they're caught or raised, and what kind of conditions you are prepared to offer them. I advise working with tank raised species as much as possible because it promotes the idea and helps us to introduce new fish into the list of tank raised species at every turn.
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Old 12-16-2006, 02:29 AM   #14
 
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Thanks, Eddie :) great site to convert money.

The Phillipines peso is about $.02 US.
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Old 12-16-2006, 02:37 AM   #15
 
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2. Doradid catfish(I'll try to identify this one if I can)-90 pesos
~Not bad of a price. It's barely 2 inches in size. Interesting fish but I'm not buying ithem without knowing the exact ID. I wouldn't risk getting a catfish that grew to 12 inches instead.
Just identified that catfish as Hancock's Talking Catfish. Oooh..interesting. I'll get one when my plants become established. I hate seeing a catfish dislodged several of my plants which have been newly-planted.
I had four Synodontis eupterus before and they dislodged my new plants.
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Old 12-16-2006, 02:39 AM   #16
 
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Some people claim that wild fish are more colorful, and in SOME cases, that is true, but that is largely based on diet, so if we learn to mimic the diet from the wild habitat, they can be almost as colorful. I've done this with rams, and my tank bred rams were as colorful as any strain of wild rams I have seen yet.
I agree. Not in general after all. Some fish are rather drab when in wild form like the guppies. As you can see nowadays, we have elegant guppies available in our pet stores. The downside is that they are not as hardy as the wild and F1 generations.
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Old 12-17-2006, 02:37 AM   #17
 
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peso to dollar ratio is 52P-1$
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:06 AM   #18
 
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peso to dollar ratio is 52P-1$
That was last August. It's now 49.37. And it's still on the process of lowering along with the rollback of gasoline prices.
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Old 12-17-2006, 01:36 PM   #19
 
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Blue, you're right, not all fish are more colorful in their wild state. However, one more comment I'd like to make about wild vs tank raised fish. It's becoming a real issue what is happening with some species of fish in the captive environment. They are being dyed, they are being inbred (which can produce sterile fish and weakened immune systems and physical deformities), they are being cross bred in petri dishes in labs (such as parrot fish), all of which should be banned. I was surprised to find out that most of my customers at the store had no idea that parrot fish were not a "natural" species. In cases like this, I would advise avoiding man made or altered fishes. Unfortunately, when dealing with fancy goldfish, you're going to get "man altered" fish, and this has been happening for many many yrs. It is known for sure that many yrs ago the Japanese began cross breeding fancy goldfish to produce things like pearlscales, pom poms, bug eyes, and various other traits because they were found "entertaining" to people and sold quickly. Once again, I am not in approval of this, either. The only fancy goldfish I have are orphans that I've taken in temperarily until I can find them suitable permanent homes. The industry of fish keeping will continue to "morph" our wild fishes until the public stops responding in positive ways. These altered fishes out there have a whole new set of problems of their own, including weakened immune systems. Quite often I have found velvet swordtails to be sterile due to inbreeding and hormone injections to give them brighter colors. The list is endless.
The general point is simply to know what it is, know what has been done to it, if anything, and choose wisely in a manner that preserves our wild species whenever/wherever possible, but at the same time, remember that working with tank raised (naturally) fish will take a lot of burden off of our wild populations.
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