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Old 05-12-2011, 11:08 AM   #11
 
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On the ammonia, have you tested your tap water on its own? Woudl be good to know if that is the source.
Based on your recommendation I checked the ammonia level of my tap water. The ammonia level of the tap water is 0.25

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The white spots on that plant look like some sort of fungus such as occurs on a bit of uneaten food.
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Should I remove that plant? Should I wash it and put it back, get rid of it or just leave it alone?


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Live plants benefit, which is why I asked. They use ammonia (as ammonium) so this always helps. Are you using any plant fertilizer?
I am not using any fertilizers.

I really do appreciate all the feedback on this.
Good news is I haven't had any fish die in about a week
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:20 AM   #12
 
Sorry for your loss.

So you set up a new tank with bio-seed from your previous tank, but in addition to the dozen fish you already had, you immediately added two dozen more?!

It would be a likely conclusion that there was a significant ammonia spike. I'm surprised that the fish didn't show signs of severe stress as Byron pointed out.
I think all tanks have their own personality the result of fresh water chemistry, temperature, substrate type/depth, decor, plant/stock life, filtration (type, media and flow rate), lighting (type, intensity, duration)....so very many variables that even if we tried, no two tanks would be identical - similar but not the same.
I'm prolly overstating the obvious, but your tank likely did not have the maturity to handle the additional bio-load of 24~ new fish on top of the 12 you had...which might very well have been a challenge for a more mature, stable tank.
Lesson learned - with the losses you have seen, the tank will likely stabilize without much effort on your part short of routine water changes.
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:23 AM   #13
 
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Based on your recommendation I checked the ammonia level of my tap water. The ammonia level of the tap water is 0.25



Should I remove that plant? Should I wash it and put it back, get rid of it or just leave it alone?




I am not using any fertilizers.

I really do appreciate all the feedback on this.
Good news is I haven't had any fish die in about a week
Now we're getting somewhere. The ammonia in the tank is due to the ammonia in the tap water. Easily solved. At a water change, use a conditioner that detoxifies ammonia as well as chlorine/chloramine. Not all will, but it will say on the label; you have Prime I think, that will handle ammonia. It does this by changing the ammonia to less harmful ammonium, and the plants will use this. Test kits read ammonia/ammonium as "ammonia" so don't be scared by this.

That is a stem plant, so yes, I would take it out and wash off those white spots. Aside from fungus, I can't imagine what they are. Then stick it back.

Live plants will handle the ammonium, that is their preferred source of nitrogen. However, they need other nutrients too, most of which occur naturally from organics (fish waste, uneaten food, decaying plant matter, dead bacteria, etc) but in a new tank it can take a while to build this up but it should occur naturally not fast or the organics will overwhelm the biological system. I would suggest a small bottle of Flourish Comprehensive Supplement. You use very little, so long-term it is not expensive. For a 60g, a teaspoon once a week will do it. This will get your plants going.

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Old 05-12-2011, 11:40 AM   #14
 
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Sorry for your loss.

I'm prolly overstating the obvious, but your tank likely did not have the maturity to handle the additional bio-load of 24~ new fish on top of the 12 you had...which might very well have been a challenge for a more mature, stable tank.
Lesson learned - with the losses you have seen, the tank will likely stabilize without much effort on your part short of routine water changes.
Hi AbbeysDad,

Thanks for the comment and condolences,

I figured that my tank was well established and could handle the increase in fish. My mistake. Although I have had tanks for many years, I never did much research into how quickly you could add fish. My LFS didn't say anything either (and they are fairly well respected in the area). I added schooling fish so I wanted to make sure I had enough to not stress them out.

I will begin slowly adding more fish in the future, once I am sure that everything is stable.

Thanks again for the comment.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:25 PM   #15
 
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That is a stem plant, so yes, I would take it out and wash off those white spots. Aside from fungus, I can't imagine what they are. Then stick it back.
Thanks, will do.


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I would suggest a small bottle of Flourish Comprehensive Supplement. You use very little, so long-term it is not expensive. For a 60g, a teaspoon once a week will do it. This will get your plants going.

Byron.
I'm not too worried about the cost. I just want my tank to thrive and have less dead fish.


Thanks again
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Old 05-12-2011, 11:22 PM   #16
 
Good to see you're still under control. Just keep up with the water changes. I like the look of you tank with the wood and rocks.

Good luck.
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:00 AM   #17
 
Hey TwinDad,

Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to be part of a site that has caring knowledgeable people.
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