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post #11 of 20 Old 02-01-2008, 11:20 AM
start fresh..the betta will be fine

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post #12 of 20 Old 02-01-2008, 03:32 PM
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deffinately start fresh. you dont want to use the water from the tank in case there is a problem with it. the betta will be fine with the change in water. just make sure that when he is in the bowl you do water changes.
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post #13 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 12:35 AM Thread Starter
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Ok the betta is happily in his little 2 gallon bowl and I think I want to start anew and cycle the tank without fish since this last time went so poorly. I need suggestions on how to clean the tank and keep the java moss and amazon swords alive. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I'm pretty much starting from scratch now. :(
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post #14 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 01:43 AM
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I'm no expert by no meens,but here's some thoughts,my $.01 worth

1st,dump the Amquel and Novaqua and get some Seachem Prime.Prime is all you need for a water treatment and is the best.It removes Chlorine,Chloramine,Ammonia,Detoxifies Nitrite & Nitrate;converts Ammonia into a safe non-toxic form etc etc....

your tank is still "new" hence the ammo surge;could be from overfeeding,too many fish (thats not it in this case) or inadequate biological filtration (the good bacteria that convert the ammonia to Nitrite (also toxic) to Nitrate of which is needed at a level of 40 PPM or less,I try to keep it about 10-15

as for the plants :
what do you have for lights ? are they just the incadescents(sp?) that came with the cover ?if so,switch them out for the CFL Daylight 6500k bulbs,you can get these at Walmart for about $7 a 2 pack in a few different wattages,I have 2 14w over my 10g (28 watts,just shy of 3watts per gallon) plants grow like weeds in that tank with 3 guppies and some Cherry Shrimp,I have Java Ferns almost growing out the water

not enough "food" for the plants.they need the nitrates/fish poo,that your probably not going to get with the Betta,and Cories without supplementing if you want plants; the Amazon Swords will overgrow a 10g with the right water parameters
so could be a combination of not enough/wrong kind of light and or lack of nutrients the plants need

Get some Seachem Flourish

Your PH..hhmmm...my RO/DI (Reverse Osmosis/DeIonized water isn't even that low,it comes out of it at 6.5 then I use 50-50.My tap comes out around 9.0,a 50-50 mix brings it to about 7.6.

I just recently got back into keeping tanks again 2 years ago,so I'm re-learning things myself,after keeping tanks for about 20-25 years

test your GH and KH of your tap water
:a certain PH isn't as important as a stable PH

Do you have a water softener ? an RO unit ? What are you testing the water with ? test strips or a reagent test like API Master Test Kit ??
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post #15 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 08:07 AM
How is your betta doing in that bowl? Are you keeping it heated? 100% weekly water changes? (maybe more, check your parameters)

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post #16 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 08:14 AM
Here's an article about fishless cycling:


About the cleaning, I don't know. Do you feel you need to clean it all out and start fresh? Or just add some household ammonia and keep going from there?

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post #17 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 09:55 AM Thread Starter
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So far so good for the betta. He's been in the bowl for a day now and is much more active than he had been for the past couple of days in the tank. I'm not keeping it heated, but I have the digital thermometer in there and it reads at 74 degrees. I'm planning on doing 2 50% water changes a week. I tested the water in the bowl last night and pH was right at 7.2, ammonia, of course, was 0.
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post #18 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 10:05 AM Thread Starter
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Re: icom's post

I'll definitely switch to prime. We used it at a pet store I worked at a couple of years ago and it seemed to work well.

I think the ammonia surge was from when the fish were at my mom's. I guess she overfed and the decaying food was left in the gravel. When I moved the tank last weekend there were a lot of particles stirred up in the water.

I've just got a fluorescent light in the tank that came with the hood. Do the CFL daylights fit into a regular hood?

I really have no idea what's going on with the pH. The tap water comes out at 7.2. I've tested it three times and each time it comes out at that level. The guy at the fish store said that high ammonia would cause the pH to drop, but I'm starting to question some of his responses to my water problems.

I don't have a water softener because I was wary of dumping chems into the tank. I'm testing the water with an API freshwater master kit. (It's come in quite handy!)
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post #19 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 10:11 AM
Your ph can vary while the tank is cycling. Nothing will stabilize until it's finished. Finish the cycle and then go from there.

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post #20 of 20 Old 02-03-2008, 10:12 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the link SST. Very helpful. I kind of do feel like I need to clean it all out and start fresh. Plus, I wanna change the substrate. I've got some horrible bright red gravel in there that was on sale so I went and bought some natural stuff.
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