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post #11 of 23 Old 06-02-2008, 06:49 PM
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Crayfish can't be kept with any fish, as they will kill and eat them. Even if they come with no claws, the claws will grow back when they shed their exoskeleton and then *munch*!
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Crayfish can't be kept with any fish, as they will kill and eat them. Even if they come with no claws, the claws will grow back when they shed their exoskeleton and then *munch*!
Hmmm. Well that stinks. Ok, will ghost shrimp do fine with the list of fish I have planned, or will the RTS eat them? (JFYI, I have one now in a 10g with a yo-yo loach and tetras and they all get along great)
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The RTBS may eat them, but they're so cheap that they're worth a try. Just don't keep them with any other inverts when you get them right from the store, as they're probably carrying disease (you'll probably loose a few). They can't spread anything to fish, so that's fine, but I certainly wouldn't keep a feeder shrimp with an expensive ornamental one.
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The RTBS may eat them, but they're so cheap that they're worth a try. Just don't keep them with any other inverts when you get them right from the store, as they're probably carrying disease (you'll probably loose a few). They can't spread anything to fish, so that's fine, but I certainly wouldn't keep a feeder shrimp with an expensive ornamental one.
Roger. If I get them, they would be the only inverts. I may or may not try them. If I do and they come up missing then I'll know.

Thanks for all the inputs everyone on the cycling. Once it's done, looks like my community will be:

6-Harlequin Rasboras
6-Black neons
6-Pristella tetras
1-Red Tail Shark
1 or 2- Yo yo loaches
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The RTBS may eat them, but they're so cheap that they're worth a try. Just don't keep them with any other inverts when you get them right from the store, as they're probably carrying disease (you'll probably loose a few). They can't spread anything to fish, so that's fine, but I certainly wouldn't keep a feeder shrimp with an expensive ornamental one.
Roger. If I get them, they would be the only inverts. I may or may not try them. If I do and they come up missing then I'll know.

Thanks for all the inputs everyone on the cycling. Once it's done, looks like my community will be:

6-Harlequin Rasboras
6-Black neons
6-Pristella tetras
1-Red Tail Shark
1 or 2- Yo yo loaches
Go with 1 yoyo loach. They're less active when kept singly. In pairs, they may (or may not) fight all the time. Also, I think you'll be close to the bioload with 1 yoyo, maybe over with 2, at least when the're fully grown.

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Those who believe FISHLESS cycle theory that is supposed to allow for full bio- load (FISH) are for the most part in for a surprise. The bacteria developed During this process has developed at a rate in relation to ammonia available. Bacteria can be overwhelmed by sudden addition of too many fish .I would still recommend adding fish slowly. I do not believe I am alone in this thinking and it has served me well.

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Those who believe FISHLESS cycle theory that is supposed to allow for full bio- load (FISH) are for the most part in for a surprise. The bacteria developed During this process has developed at a rate in relation to ammonia available. Bacteria can be overwhelmed by sudden addition of too many fish .I would still recommend adding fish slowly. I do not believe I am alone in this thinking and it has served me well.
After completing a fishless cycle with ammonia I always take my time in stocking the tank. I believe the daily amount of ammonia used to cycle the tank plays a part - but I believe in erring on the side of caution :)
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I believe it would be very difficult to add ammonia (drops) at a predetermined rate that you hope will be in excess of that produced by tank inhabitants. There are too many variables such as what type of fish, how much food they will digest or expel. oxygen levels also play a part. Bacteria will develop quicker in stable tropical temps. as opposed to cooler temps. Surface area available for bacteria to colonize on makes a significant difference as well that is why I prefer bio wheel filters. More surface area than most filters except for cannister filters used in larger aquariums. It truly is hard to wait and introduce fish slowly ,but in the long run it is ALWAYS the best for the Fish. :)

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post #19 of 23 Old 06-04-2008, 08:18 AM Thread Starter
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Got ya. Thanks guys.

I've since found out that my LFS stocks BioSpira. I'm going to go this route, along with some starter fish. My LFS isn't a chain place. It's a "mom and pop" local place with some pretty experienced people and they said with what I want to stock, add one of my small schools along with BioSpira and I should be fine. Just wait 10-15 days before adding any more, and to do it little by little.

I will also in addition to BioSpira, seed the filter with some filter cartridge element form my 10g and also add some gravel.

Can't wait. These next couple months will be long waiting to get my stuff :D
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post #20 of 23 Old 06-04-2008, 08:31 AM
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:D Good Plan!

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