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post #31 of 37 Old 03-05-2013, 03:37 PM Thread Starter
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The problem with additives to the water is that many will interact with others in ways that we can't always understand, not being chemists. The less added, the better.

You have live plants, including fast growing ones (floating) so ammonia should never be an issue. Thus, something is causing it.

Bacterial supplements will increase ammonia, so I would stop with those. While salt should not cause ammonia, as far as I know, it is another additive that is not necessary so stop using it. I have an article in the Freshwater Articles section that explains the problems caused by salt with all freshwater fish. While livebearers are better able to cope with it, they don't need it.

Add only the conditioner at each water change, and only sufficient for the volume of water changed (I would do half the tank). Remember that conditioners and additives that detoxify ammonia do so by changing it to ammonium which will still show in "ammonia" tests but be harmless.

Let us know what results from the above. And monitor the fish; even if ammonia shows in tests, use the fish as the guide. If they are behaving normally, don't worry about it.

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Thanks for the info on the bacterial supplements increasing ammonia--now I know. Also, thanks for the info on the salt...I guess I was misinformed. As far as the fish, they seem to all be doing very well now...no signs of stress, other than adjusting to the water going up and down in their tanks! I will keep monitoring the chemistry levels, doing partial water changes with just the Prime, and will give an update in a day or two.

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post #32 of 37 Old 03-07-2013, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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Just a quick update to thank everyone who was helping me...

Both of my guppy tanks are now doing well. Ammonia levels are 0 in one tank, .25 in the other (which I will do a small water change in today), and there are low levels of nitrates showing up in both tanks, so it appears that have finally cycled through, I hope. I have been monitoring the nitrites and nitrates and will do more large water changes if the levels get too high. Nitrates are showing to be at 5, one tank has nitrites showing at .5 - 1.

I have stopped with the salt and also the bacteria in a bottle. I am convinced now that my adding that bacteria repeatedly during the ammonia spike was what kept making the ammonia go up, even after water changes, because I'd add it at every water change.

My plants are doing great. Water is crystal clear, fish are active and fine. Now I just have to figure out what to do with all the babies and the female guppies! I don't want them to keep reproducing. I will see if the LFS will help me out somehow with taking them....or else I will have to keep adding tanks, and I'm not going to do that.

Thanks so much all.
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Just a quick update to thank everyone who was helping me...

Both of my guppy tanks are now doing well. Ammonia levels are 0 in one tank, .25 in the other (which I will do a small water change in today), and there are low levels of nitrates showing up in both tanks, so it appears that have finally cycled through, I hope. I have been monitoring the nitrites and nitrates and will do more large water changes if the levels get too high. Nitrates are showing to be at 5, one tank has nitrites showing at .5 - 1.

I have stopped with the salt and also the bacteria in a bottle. I am convinced now that my adding that bacteria repeatedly during the ammonia spike was what kept making the ammonia go up, even after water changes, because I'd add it at every water change.

My plants are doing great. Water is crystal clear, fish are active and fine. Now I just have to figure out what to do with all the babies and the female guppies! I don't want them to keep reproducing. I will see if the LFS will help me out somehow with taking them....or else I will have to keep adding tanks, and I'm not going to do that.

Thanks so much all.
Good to hear this.

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The aquarist is one who must learn the ways of the biologist, the chemist, and the veterinarian. [unknown source]

Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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Good to hear that things are coming along on your tanks Now to get some of those babies homes
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Good to hear that things are coming along on your tanks Now to get some of those babies homes
YES, that is a big concern of mine. My LFS said they would take them, although maybe when the time comes, the will say no, and perhaps some would end up being food for larger fish there...but I cannot keep them in my 2 10 gallon tanks without destroying my water chemistry and ruining life for the 13 adult fish I have. Right now the babies are mostly all still quite little, but I have four that are approaching 1/2 inch and are probably adding to the ammonia of the tank...those I am hoping to find home for first.

If anyone reading these posts is looking for some free baby guppies in Central New York, Utica/Frankfort area, please post here! I'd love to hear from you. I will post this on another board here, any suggestions as to where, being I am a new user?? Is there such a board here??

Thank you so much!
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YES, that is a big concern of mine. My LFS said they would take them, although maybe when the time comes, the will say no, and perhaps some would end up being food for larger fish there...but I cannot keep them in my 2 10 gallon tanks without destroying my water chemistry and ruining life for the 13 adult fish I have. Right now the babies are mostly all still quite little, but I have four that are approaching 1/2 inch and are probably adding to the ammonia of the tank...those I am hoping to find home for first.

If anyone reading these posts is looking for some free baby guppies in Central New York, Utica/Frankfort area, please post here! I'd love to hear from you. I will post this on another board here, any suggestions as to where, being I am a new user?? Is there such a board here??

Thank you so much!

Yes the aquarium classified section located in the aquarium resources section a little further down on the main page, I would just make sure to note that they are for local pickup if you don't want to mess with shipping
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Yes the aquarium classified section located in the aquarium resources section a little further down on the main page, I would just make sure to note that they are for local pickup if you don't want to mess with shipping
Thanks for your help...I am still finding my way around here and I appreciate your input!
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