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Old 02-13-2013, 12:51 PM   #11
 
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I am at college for the day I will head out after and see if the LFS carries any of these cycle products, and will pick up some plants for the tank. I will add them after the water change today.

Also my tap water does contain nitrates that's why I've been using prime, as it is a dechlorinates and removes renders the nitrites and nitrates harmless if that is correct.

Now that I will have live plants in my tank is there any acclimation process for them and how does care for them go?
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Although helpful, Prime merely DETOXIFIES ammonia, nitrites and nitrates for 24-48 HOURS. Although this time period may allow beneficial bacteria time to process, it likely won't in a tank that has not fully cycled...and Prime is not a long term solution.

You really need your source water for partial water changes nitrate free (or low in nitrates).
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:51 PM   #12
 
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Acclimating plants is really really easy. If they come from a tank with fish, it's not a bad idea to let them sit in a separate tank for a week or so to ensure they aren't carrying any diseases with them. If you're worried about snails some people will rinse the plants in a bleach solution, but I don't recommend this. I just rinse my plants under tap water for a few minutes and then stick them in the tank. It will take the plants a few days to get adjusted to your tank.

Another option for finding plants is the classified section here. A lot of people will sell or give away their plant clippings instead of throwing them away.

Okay well thats good to hear!. I will let you know what type of plants i end up getting today. I have a 5gallon quarantine tank setup for the new fish i got 1 weeks ago and this morning as i was looking i noticed it had ICH sadly. There is a Clown Loach and YoYo loach in there with my new Pleco. So my only option for the plants is to put them directly into my big tank, So i hope it all goes well.. Also if my big tank did ever contract ICH again would the Salt/Heat method hurt/kill the live plants?

Sorry for so many questions its just nice to have knowledgable people around to help me out now. Thank you tons!
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:03 PM   #13
 
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Never be sorry for asking too many questions!

It depends on the plants. Some are harmed by the high heat and salt, but some are tough enough to take it. Usually hardy plants like water sprite, anubias, and java fern can take just about anything. Generally the salt treatments aren't used with loaches because they are sensitive to salt. Most people prefer to use copper treatments which are harmless to plants.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:58 PM   #14
 
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Although helpful, Prime merely DETOXIFIES ammonia, nitrites and nitrates for 24-48 HOURS. Although this time period may allow beneficial bacteria time to process, it likely won't in a tank that has not fully cycled...and Prime is not a long term solution.

You really need your source water for partial water changes nitrate free (or low in nitrates).
It was pretty low without any water treatment chemicals (.1-.5ppm roughly) So is that okay?
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:15 PM   #15
 
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Never be sorry for asking too many questions!

It depends on the plants. Some are harmed by the high heat and salt, but some are tough enough to take it. Usually hardy plants like water sprite, anubias, and java fern can take just about anything. Generally the salt treatments aren't used with loaches because they are sensitive to salt. Most people prefer to use copper treatments which are harmless to plants.
Okay thats good. Is copper treatment as safe for fish as the salt/heat or does the chemicals affect them a lot?
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:21 PM   #16
 
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It was pretty low without any water treatment chemicals (.1-.5ppm roughly) So is that okay?
I thought you said you had high nitrates in your tap water. I can't measure nitrates <1ppm. What test kit are you using? In any case, tap nitrates of less than 5ppm are fine.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:53 PM   #17
 
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I thought you said you had high nitrates in your tap water. I can't measure nitrates <1ppm. What test kit are you using? In any case, tap nitrates of less than 5ppm are fine.

Oh sorry i was thinking nitrites, i am using the Nutrafin test kit, Its in mg/L but its mutually convertable to ppm so i just wrote it out PPM. Thanks for the input!
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:09 PM   #18
 
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There are several issues tied up in this thread... I'm honing in primarily on the ich.

I am understanding that the fish with ich are in the quarantine tank. Raise the heat to 86F. This alone can kill off the ich but it will take a good week. However, unfortunately clown loaches are extraordinarily prone to ich and sometimes it is fatal. I would suggest using CopperSafe along with the heat. This is not as strong a treatment as most preparations, but it is better with sensitive fish. I have had good luck with CS and heat. The salt is not wise with loaches, as to get the salt in sufficient strength to deal with ich will likely burn the loaches or at the least it will severely stress them.

When you get the live plants, put them in the main tank. It will be a couple weeks before you will be able to move the fish from the QT anyway.

No mention was made of clown loach in the initial post, just 2 YoYo Loach. This is a 55g tank, which is not sufficient space for clown loach anyway; they get large, 8-12 inches, and need a group of five. The YoYo also need a group, five or more, but they will not outgrow the 55g tank. Depending upon what happens to the single clown loach, you may need to rehome it if it makes it through the ich, but it may well not. Be prepared.

Before considering further fish, once the ich is over, reconsider what you already have and improve where necessary. Check the fish profiles, all these are included. Second heading from the left in the blue bar at the top of the page takes you to the profiles. One fish I would get rid of is the Chinese Algae Eater, as noted in the profile, it can get nasty and it gets large.

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Old 02-13-2013, 06:49 PM   #19
 
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There are several issues tied up in this thread... I'm honing in primarily on the ich.

I am understanding that the fish with ich are in the quarantine tank. Raise the heat to 86F. This alone can kill off the ich but it will take a good week. However, unfortunately clown loaches are extraordinarily prone to ich and sometimes it is fatal. I would suggest using CopperSafe along with the heat. This is not as strong a treatment as most preparations, but it is better with sensitive fish. I have had good luck with CS and heat. The salt is not wise with loaches, as to get the salt in sufficient strength to deal with ich will likely burn the loaches or at the least it will severely stress them.

When you get the live plants, put them in the main tank. It will be a couple weeks before you will be able to move the fish from the QT anyway.

No mention was made of clown loach in the initial post, just 2 YoYo Loach. This is a 55g tank, which is not sufficient space for clown loach anyway; they get large, 8-12 inches, and need a group of five. The YoYo also need a group, five or more, but they will not outgrow the 55g tank. Depending upon what happens to the single clown loach, you may need to rehome it if it makes it through the ich, but it may well not. Be prepared.

Before considering further fish, once the ich is over, reconsider what you already have and improve where necessary. Check the fish profiles, all these are included. Second heading from the left in the blue bar at the top of the page takes you to the profiles. One fish I would get rid of is the Chinese Algae Eater, as noted in the profile, it can get nasty and it gets large.

Byron.

Thank you very much i will try treating the ich this way. When i got it in my 55Gallon none of my loaches died so thats surprising. I have been looking over some of the fish profiles here and it looks like i will be having to find some new homes. Thats to bad about the clown loach i really liked him its a beautiful fish. Thank you very much for the input.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:52 PM   #20
 
UPDATE: I just picked up 3 plants, the pet store didn't have much and most of them were dieing. They also could not tell me what the plants were called so i will post pictures of them and maybe some of you can identify them for me.

I got Stability by Seachem and have added it to the tank and also did my daily water change. I will check the water levels tonight and post up what they are.

Many thanks to everybody on this Forum for all the help it is greatly appreciated and my fish also thank you!
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