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post #1 of 116 Old 12-07-2013, 10:14 AM Thread Starter
How to tell someone their setup is bad?

Ok, so there is a daycare that I am often helping in for one of my classes and they have a big fish tank that is honestly depressing. It seems not well kept and all the fish are very pale and obviously unhappy. But their tank maintenance is their problem I wouldn't try to change that, the problem is the fish.
It is socked with :
1 large parrot cichlid
1 large tinfoil barb
4 tiger barbs
And wort of all, one green spotted pufferfish.Eeek!
The pufferfish looks really sick and a yellow color with faded grey spots. It is really sad. They need to live in brackish water and a freshwater setup is simply not acceptable, especially one with no plants and these tank mates! I don't know how long they have had the puffer but I am assuming he is relatively new because he is still alive. And then the tinfoil barb, don't they need at least four others to school with? He is big and slow moving and the tigers will often nip and harass him. The cichlid just wanders around and does his own thing. I don't know how big the tank is, but it is large, probably enough space for what they have but not big enough to add more. There are also very few hiding places in the tank.
So, obviously, nothing about this setup really works.
My main concern is the pufferfish. The other fish can at least survive and be sad but the pufferfish won't. Chances are he is not being fed the proper food either to get him nutrients and trim his beak. I feel like they need to know the situation because I am quite sure they would not want to be cruel and are just ignorant or misinformed. I'd be happy to tell them if I had a tank to give them or to take the puffer for them, but I don't. So if I tell them, I can't really offer any help to fix the situation other than my knowledge.
Ideas? I hate to see the fish looking so bad, but I don't know how to help!
Thank you!
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post #2 of 116 Old 12-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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Ok, so there is a daycare that I am often helping in for one of my classes and they have a big fish tank that is honestly depressing. It seems not well kept and all the fish are very pale and obviously unhappy. But their tank maintenance is their problem I wouldn't try to change that, the problem is the fish.
It is socked with :
1 large parrot cichlid
1 large tinfoil barb
4 tiger barbs
And wort of all, one green spotted pufferfish.Eeek!
The pufferfish looks really sick and a yellow color with faded grey spots. It is really sad. They need to live in brackish water and a freshwater setup is simply not acceptable, especially one with no plants and these tank mates! I don't know how long they have had the puffer but I am assuming he is relatively new because he is still alive. And then the tinfoil barb, don't they need at least four others to school with? He is big and slow moving and the tigers will often nip and harass him. The cichlid just wanders around and does his own thing. I don't know how big the tank is, but it is large, probably enough space for what they have but not big enough to add more. There are also very few hiding places in the tank.
So, obviously, nothing about this setup really works.
My main concern is the pufferfish. The other fish can at least survive and be sad but the pufferfish won't. Chances are he is not being fed the proper food either to get him nutrients and trim his beak. I feel like they need to know the situation because I am quite sure they would not want to be cruel and are just ignorant or misinformed. I'd be happy to tell them if I had a tank to give them or to take the puffer for them, but I don't. So if I tell them, I can't really offer any help to fix the situation other than my knowledge.
Ideas? I hate to see the fish looking so bad, but I don't know how to help!
Thank you!
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This is really sad. I would offer to bring in snails (most any fish store should just give you some) for the puffer and start there. Just be honest and educate them about the requirements of fish. Can you volunteer to do a water change for them? Why not ask? I'm sure they'd be grateful for the advise. I don't think people intend to be mean to fish, they are just so uninformed, and don't think fish "deserve" enough bother/research. The puffer can live in freshwater, but not forever, though people claim to do it. It's probably just extremely stressed, and if the water parameters are poor, that won't help, on top of not getting the right food. The other foods GSP's love is raw shrimp, clams, mussels. Go to your grocery store and get one raw shrimp, offer a small piece to him, but don't overfeed. Just till his belly is round.

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post #3 of 116 Old 12-07-2013, 12:38 PM Thread Starter
That is a good idea. I have a few pesky snails in my fish tank that hitchhiker on a plant.mi can bring those in:)
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post #4 of 116 Old 12-11-2013, 12:40 AM
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Ask them if they would allow you to maintain the tank. Be responsable for it and teach whoever is doing it now what to do.
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post #5 of 116 Old 12-11-2013, 02:48 AM
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I would tell them the same thing you just told us, with special emphasis on the part about no one WANTS to be cruel.
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post #6 of 116 Old 12-11-2013, 04:09 PM
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How's it going with this tank? Have you made any progress? It's been a few days... wondering how things are with this puffer/tank.

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post #7 of 116 Old 12-30-2013, 09:48 AM Thread Starter
Hey guys, sadly I have not been able to do anything yet because I haven't had the chance to go over to the child care centre for awhile:( I'm off the break at the end of this week hopefully all the fish are still alive.... Ima pick up some more snails from my lfs soon and I'll bring those in too. Thanks for all your input!
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post #8 of 116 Old 12-30-2013, 04:19 PM
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Let us know how it goes when you get back in there! I really hope you are able to help those fish out, somehow. . .

I found myself in a similar situation last year in my daughter's kindergarten class. I ended up taking over the tank, and was able to turn it into a fantastic learning experience that the whole class participated in - it was a lot of work, and stressful to maintain a tank out of my home, but overall a positive experience - especially for the kiddos!

I hope you find some way to turn this situation around, please keep us updated on how things turn out - and good luck!
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post #9 of 116 Old 01-05-2014, 09:52 PM Thread Starter
Tic toc still not much going on....
I feel like the whole situation is a little bit awkward. For you, as a parent who is in there a lot it was probably pretty simple, but I'm a student there and my class has not put me in the daycare more than a few times. I don't know, it just seems like it will be weird when I, a random student, go into the daycare and just like start talking about their fish haha. They'll be like...So...why are you here? Haha.
Anyway, this week I hope I'll be able to get in there! Well just have to see what happens!
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post #10 of 116 Old 01-06-2014, 11:41 AM
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I did it at my daughters daycare! I just talked to the director about it and they were very happy for the help and advice. I do the upkeep sometimes but I've taught them how to as well. Honestly i'm a really shy person (dont be shocked people lol) , but I just walk on into the staff kitchen like i own the place grab the supplies I put in there and go about water changes on my own lol. I've donated the tanks to seperate everyone properly. Yes I get some looks from teachers(especially new ones!) like "who the hell is she?!?" haha. Just get up the nerve and talk to them. Good luck!
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