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How long do the effects of toxic building materials take to manifest in the fish?
Old 07-19-2010, 05:02 PM   #21
 
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I'm actually close to receiving my BS in chemistry, and work in an organic research lab, hehe (wonderful to have people with my ethics working on drug design, eh? Sarcasm...I'm talking about animal testing here >.<). Awsome may i ask where, i happen to be like minded. (i am very into chemistry, tho i must say it has been 3 years since school, so i'm a bit out of practice.

Mineral Oil, however, is ONLY C-H chains, almost identical to the Si-H idea of the seal that we have. So it would readily dissolve a compound that consisted of Si, C, and H. In fact, we use mineral oil for long term storage of some of our compounds, because some compounds are very soluble in it. (like dissolves like, just as you said, i wonder, is there a way for you to place a plastic sheet between the wall (divider) and the oil? (like how those tupperwares in the grocery store pack lunch meats. they're in a bag, but also within the tupperware, this way the tupperware remains a 2nd barrier, an in-case type of barrier, while the inner bag does most of the containing.
Are the white clouds pretty hardy, then? I was considering Danios or Guppies because they're supposed to be "starter" fish because of their hardiness- that was my understanding, anyway.
I've never had white clouds, but i do have feeder goldifsh and guppies and platys.
i would get platys, especially if your interested in studying the breeding and life stages (while the guppies breed well too the fry just take a long time to mature).
I would try to do the 2 barrier system if at all possible, because while you may not see any oil, it may well be in the water with the fish, and they will react to even small amounts which woulod skew the results of the analysis. and further be reason for probing from any skeptics.

And that's really funny that you suggested shrimp- I was definitely planning on it (maybe on introducing them first) but my roommate was too creeped out, and told me he'd put something in the water to kill them if I got any.
I told him I'd put their corpses in his bed.
lol, i think thats hilarious!
And I'm not living with him anymore, so it's all good =)
yeah, its a good thing not to be living with someone whos trying to kill the creature you keep. lol

hope you've had an oppurtunity to set up a control too..? mabey i'm readin too much into this... sorry
good luck tho!
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yeah, its a good thing not to be living with someone whos trying to kill the creature you keep. lol

hope you've had an oppurtunity to set up a control too..? mabey i'm readin too much into this... sorry
good luck tho!





well never mind about 3/4ths of that. seems "page 2" was missing when i replied. so now i see your looking for a thing of amusement, not a test of some sort for a thesis it would seem.

so the only answer logically i can come up with would still be the 2 barrier system. and if its done right u can see in the space in between and dectect problems before the leak would ever reach the fish, or the fish reach the computer.

i wish you could go to sq 1 all over and re-do the design.
in theory it would be simple.
place the computers own "tank" inside a larger main "tank". then seal the spaces in between to pervent fish/water and oil from getting in that space.
then you could in additon to that, you could also do the "bag" barrier i mentioned before, also still using a sheet of plastic, or a big ziploc if you had to.

so (the next thing) u might be wondering is about the plastic trim on most tanks, well it comes off, and ther you have a simple glass box inside a second glass box (or acrylic).

this i hope helps. at least perhaps with ideas.
perhaps the tank u have now could be tank prototype 1.
before you make another prototype measuse for the filter and lid you'll plan to add.


Good luck with it!!
hope to see pictures soon!
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