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How long before I worry?
Old 08-22-2010, 12:45 PM   #1
 
How long before I worry?

I have a new tank with cloudy water. I'm pretty sure it's okay, I'd just like to make sure.

I have a new 55 gallon tank. One week old today. I got the starter kit at Petsmart and understand the heater, pump etc are basic. I will upgrade these items in the future.

Okay, so I bought the kit, bought some gravel, fake plants, a couple of resin tree trucks for the fish to play/hide in and a couple of disc aerators as well to hide under the trunks. I rinsed everything with water, set it up, added water, heater (it's 76 degrees), filter (topfin 60), and waited for three days. Took a water sample to the pet store, everything looked good so they sent me home with 11 hardy fish (4 platy and the rest hardier tetras).

The fish are all doing fine. They're happy, they're swimming all over the place - especially the platys, eating fine.

The water was a bit cloudy, so the pet store suggested a product called Clarity - it. I put in 3 cap fulls (one capful for every 20 gallons) of Clarity last night. The bottle states the water should clear within 1-2 hours. It's been 12 and it's still pretty murky.

On the instructions on the bottle of Clarity, it states that if I had extremely cloudy water I can add 3x the dose to 'greatly enhance the clarification speed' but I don't know, I wouldn't have called the white cloudiness of the water extreme.

What should I do? Sit and wait and see what happens? I'm wondering if the water filter is pulling it's weight, but I don't want to change it now before the good bacteria has a chance to establish itself.

Any ideas?


Oh Great! Before I could send this, my hubby grabbed one of the filters and rinsed it. The filter was a brownish red color. Now I'm worried that's he's offset the balance in the tank.
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Old 08-22-2010, 01:05 PM   #2
 
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Just a thought. You could get a bunch of real plants and plant those in the tank. They will help with the whole cycle process. You also will want to be checking your parameters often and doing very very regular water changes. While I was doing a fish IN cycle, I changed 40% every day for a few weeks and then backed down to 2 times a week and now I do only once a week. Each Saturday is water change day.

If you get the real plants, they help to use up the Ammonia and Nitrite. Do you have a fresh water test kit? If not, I recommend getting one and using it frequently, especially now in the beginning.

What kind of substrate do you have? Sand tends to make the water cloudy for a little longer. It will settle but takes time. Keep doing the water changes, keep an eye on the fish. When doing the water changes make sure you always add a de-chlorinating product like Prime. Prime also turns Ammonia into Ammonium which is less harmful to your fish. (Thanks Byron for teaching me all those important things)

I can't stress enough how wonderful the live plants are in the tank and how much good they do for the water parameters. Once you get over the "I don't know if I can handle it" phase, turns out they are very easy.

Oh, and rinsing the filter is fine but don't do it in tap water, do it in your water change water. I usually put some of the water in a bucket and rinse the filter in that, then return it to the tank. Also, do not change your filter like the filter product recommends. They are just trying to sell more product. You can keep the same filter until it basically falls apart.
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Old 08-22-2010, 01:36 PM   #3
 
Thanks for the info Inga!

I forgot to mention that we did add Prime when we first set it up. I'm going to take a sample of the tank water to the pet store this morning and have them test it. I have gravel on the bottom of the tank.

Your advice about frequent water changes is different that what I was told from the people in the pet store. They're advice was to let everything cycle for a few weeks, give the tank a chance to start the good bacteria and some algae for our future bottom feeders.

I know we're fairly lucky with our water supply, it's good water and softer water than most. It does contain chlorine though. However my hubby - otherwise known as Dingbat for the rest of the day did rinse the one filter under tap water.
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Old 08-22-2010, 01:43 PM   #4
 
cloudy water

Here is a photo I took about an hour ago. I took it from the side of the tank, I had one of the lights turned on so you can better see the cloudiness. It's a 55 gallon tank.
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Old 08-22-2010, 01:45 PM   #5
 
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Here's a shot of the front of the tank, taken about an hour ago.
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Old 08-22-2010, 02:55 PM   #6
 
1. Please don't tell me you're cycling with those 11 fish? If you are, you definitely need to do up to a 50-60% change every day.

2. Never trust chain store employee's advice. Ever.

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Old 08-22-2010, 03:06 PM   #7
 
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1. Please don't tell me you're cycling with those 11 fish? If you are, you definitely need to do up to a 50-60% change every day.

2. Never trust chain store employees advice.
Pet store employees tell people all kinds of things to sell fish. They told me the same thing when I started out and I found out otherwise. I was lucky enough to stumble onto this forum and luckily so was the OP.

If you don't do water changes, you will likely lose most if not all of your fish to ammonia poisoning, if not right away then down the road a bit. Ammonia and Nitrites are toxic to the fish. Think of it this way. If you were in a closed in area and your own filth was building up in that area, wouldn't breathing be made difficult and quality of life be diminished? Same as a fish tank. Everything that goes in, stays in unless you take those toxins out with frequent water changes. In the wild, lakes, rivers etc... fish are not sitting in water that doesn't change. Currents move water all around and the water is naturally cycled around. In a tank, that is our job as fish owners.

You will learn so much on this forum. There are so many helpful people on here that will help you out. I learn something new every day.

Can I recommend you purchase an API freshwater test kit? You can get them through Dr. Foster's and Smith for around $20.00. It is so much more accurate then the strip's most of those chain stores will test your water with.

You did a very nice job setting up your tank, it looks lovely. :) Please think about adding some live plants to help out that cycle process and hopefully save your fish from any damage.
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Old 08-22-2010, 03:14 PM   #8
 
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Pet store employees tell people all kinds of things to sell fish. They told me the same thing when I started out and I found out otherwise. I was lucky enough to stumble onto this forum and luckily so was the OP.

If you don't do water changes, you will likely lose most if not all of your fish to ammonia poisoning, if not right away then down the road a bit. Ammonia and Nitrites are toxic to the fish. Think of it this way. If you were in a closed in area and your own filth was building up in that area, wouldn't breathing be made difficult and quality of life be diminished? Same as a fish tank. Everything that goes in, stays in unless you take those toxins out with frequent water changes. In the wild, lakes, rivers etc... fish are not sitting in water that doesn't change. Currents move water all around and the water is naturally cycled around. In a tank, that is our job as fish owners.

You will learn so much on this forum. There are so many helpful people on here that will help you out. I learn something new every day.

Can I recommend you purchase an API freshwater test kit? You can get them through Dr. Foster's and Smith for around $20.00. It is so much more accurate then the strip's most of those chain stores will test your water with.

You did a very nice job setting up your tank, it looks lovely. :) Please think about adding some live plants to help out that cycle process and hopefully save your fish from any damage.
Agree with everything Inga says, but I'll also add that in the future, 3-4 is the max I would add at a time. Preferably with 2+ weeks in between.
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:29 PM   #9
 
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I just got home from running errands, it's been 4 hours since I added the Clarity product to clear up the water in my 55 gallon tank. IT LOOKS GORGEOUS!! It's clear as glass!!

I had the water tested at the pet store and it looks like my ph was a bit low (6.2) and my ammonia was a tad high. They also told us we could add mollys to our aquarium and it would be our choice if we added some aquarium salt to the water or not, if we added it it wouldn't hurt the other fish, and if we didn't then chances are the mollys would adapt. We bought some and added 11 tablespoons as per manufacturers suggestions. We also added 1/2 teaspoon on ph Up. We also brought home 2 swordtails.

Hubby and I are talking about the conflicting information we are getting on water changes, what you said Inga makes a heck of a lot of sense. But daily? Really? That surprises me. Obviously I want to do what's best for the fish, they are such cute little guys and I don't want them to suffer.

I just finished reading the sticky at the beginning of this thread about the five different methods of cycling tanks. I guess I'm doing the 'fish in' method. Great, poor little guys. In the pet store I saw a test kit with test tubes as well as test strips. Do you have a preference to strip or test tube?

I would like to add live plants, but my hubby is a little reluctant. I'll do some research and work on him a bit. Might take me a while though.

I'm looking forward to learning all I can from this site to keep my little fish happy. I have friends who have aquariums, but theirs are all salt water. So I'm happy to turn here for info.

Thanks for taking the time to help me out. I really appreciate it.
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Old 08-22-2010, 06:34 PM   #10
 
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Here is the test kit I would recommend to start. It isn't hard to do, and it is more accurate then the strips.
https://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.c...54&pcatid=4454 I think petco had the same kit for around $35.00 or so.

You don't have to continue the daily water changes if your water parameters are fine. That is why the test kit is so handy to check at home. You might back it down to every other day or every third. I had a lot of ammonia in the beginning and I didn't want the fish to suffer because of my mistake. I will never again do a fish in cycle without plants.

People on here talked me into plants as well. At first it seemed like too much work, and I am a person that kills house plants. My tank however, is amazing. The difference between real and fake? no comparison. The plants are eating all that bad stuff that hurts the fish so it is a win win situation. Also, by eating all of those things, you will get less algae etc... All I do is dump a cap ful of Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the planted Aquarium in 1 to 2 times a week and you are good to go. No need to remember to water them. ha ha The gravel you have looks fine too, so you wouldn't need to change that. If you plated "root plants" you might want to add a few root tabs to the substrate once every 6 months or so. No big deal.

The pet stores get away with false information often because they might sell you some rather hardy fish in the beginning and some of them might live through a cycle so you think it is all well and good but the fish is impaired by the damage and it's life span is severely shortened and life quality depleted. I myself, was angry when I found that out. My whole reason for getting an aquarium is because I love animals, not because I want to torture them.

The same store that told me to "fish in cycle" also sold me fish that killed each other and others that they said would only get 6 inches long and would be fine in my planted tank that actually got up to 18-24 inches and ate plants. Sometimes it is ignorance but sometimes they just want to sell fish. When I told them what I discovered about the species they sold me they told me "just flush them, then." Nice, huh?

think about the plants, you just can't beat the benefits the live plants offer, not to mention the looks. They are not expensive either. you could just get a couple of them to help out for now. A couple sword plants or something. (nudge, nudge) ha ha
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