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Hi! Im starting my first tank and need some guidance as to how to go about it :)
Old 01-27-2010, 05:29 PM   #1
 
Post Hi! Im starting my first tank and need some guidance as to how to go about it :)

This is my first post so be nice! :D Well on saturday i am going to be purchasing a 10 gallon tank from one of my friends (for 10 bargain much?:P) However im going to have to buy a heater + thermometer and a filter. I was wondering if any body knows of any silent (well virtually) heaters and hopefully a silent filter with a biowheel. As i want to keep the tank in my room and the placement would basicly be right next to my head so sleeping could be a problem haha. I am planning on having a tropical tank however im not sure on the stocking ratio and which animals mix with others. I would also like to have lots of algae eaters and cleaners to help keep the tank in good shape as i would like the first tank to run smoothly :)

One animal i would really like in the tank is at least one hopefully two crabs if theres enough space 12inches squared each should be enough :D i have been looking at the red clawed crab however there seems to be some discussion as to wether or not they live in brackish or freshwater. So any help on which would be best for them would be appreciated. So what other fish, or other invertebrates could i keep in the tank that wouldnt get mauled or attack the crabs?

I really like the look of the mystery snail however im not sure if the crabs would cut it up ha ha.

Thanks for reading Adam. 8)
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Old 01-27-2010, 05:51 PM   #2
 
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Welcome tot he forum and congratulations!!!
Heater will be quiet, get something like 30-50w (dep how cold your room is) and you're set.
Filter I can not help you with Hang on backs/ biowheel...I only use internal filters (to have 0 noise come off) or sponge filters (for shrimp tanks). Sorry.

For starters I'd suggest you read this here how to cycle tanks before adding fish http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...ium-cycle-252/

10g limits you quit some as far as fish amount/ size. Most important you need to see what water you hvae soft or hard: Take a water sample from your tap to your local store and kindly ask them to test it for you for pH AND hardness and tell us what the numbers are (Don't let them guys tell you 'its ok - ask for the numbers!)

You do not need algae eaters nor cleaner; a properly set up and properly maintained tank does not have these issues and these fish would be too big as adult for a 10g.

What kind of crabs are you looking at? Most craps will not survive is fully submerged all their life w/out a land part in there! Then if you'd chose to built your tank that way - then i'd suggest to not have fish, either or.

Would you care for some set up like 1 male Betta and a bunch of shrimp? That'd work in *almost* all water conditions.
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:24 PM   #3
 
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Welcome tot he forum and congratulations!!!
Heater will be quiet, get something like 30-50w (dep how cold your room is) and you're set.
Filter I can not help you with Hang on backs/ biowheel...I only use internal filters (to have 0 noise come off) or sponge filters (for shrimp tanks). Sorry.

For starters I'd suggest you read this here how to cycle tanks before adding fish http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...ium-cycle-252/

10g limits you quit some as far as fish amount/ size. Most important you need to see what water you hvae soft or hard: Take a water sample from your tap to your local store and kindly ask them to test it for you for pH AND hardness and tell us what the numbers are (Don't let them guys tell you 'its ok - ask for the numbers!)

You do not need algae eaters nor cleaner; a properly set up and properly maintained tank does not have these issues and these fish would be too big as adult for a 10g.

What kind of crabs are you looking at? Most craps will not survive is fully submerged all their life w/out a land part in there! Then if you'd chose to built your tank that way - then i'd suggest to not have fish, either or.

Would you care for some set up like 1 male Betta and a bunch of shrimp? That'd work in *almost* all water conditions.
Thanks a bunch for all that information :D So with the cycles i need to leave it like 2 weeks then add some live plants in leave it again for a week then slowly add fish/ invertebrates in?

Hmm with the crabs needing land i think i will build my tank that way as crabs are just dam cool :P Ive been looking at these crabs: Wrongcrowd.com - Freshwater Red Clawed Crabs

So if i were to have an internal filter+ heater there would be very little noise if any?

To do with the water hardness etc to treat the water could i put it through a brita water filter used for cleaner drinking water?

To go with the crabs what if i were to have some very small fish such as bumble bee gobies and mayby one or two mollies? or would this over stock the tank if i had two crabs?

"Most craps will not survive" i never knew they were alive wierd :P

Cheers Adam.
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:50 PM   #4
 
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great post from Angel...I'll fill in about the filter part he left open....

FILTER:
This would be the kind of filter I would recommend:
Aquarium Power Filters: Marineland Penguin BIO-Wheel Power Filters

With a 10G tank you'll be fine with the Penguin 100....Marineland makes a great product....I have two of the 350's on my tank right now and they are remarkably quiet...I can never really hear them, so sleeping shouldn't be a problem for you....

As far as water hardness you mentioned, any water that is going into your tank needs to be "conditioned", so to speak....you can use a product like Prime, or Aquamel plus....I use prime and it takes care of everything in one shot....

Another thing you will want to pick up is going to be an API Master Liquid Test Kit...it'll be crucial during your cycling process and monitoring your levels while maintaining your tank....

Hope some of this helps.
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:55 PM   #5
 
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This is my first post so be nice! :D Well on saturday i am going to be purchasing a 10 gallon tank from one of my friends (for 10 bargain much?:P) However im going to have to buy a heater + thermometer and a filter. I was wondering if any body knows of any silent (well virtually) heaters and hopefully a silent filter with a biowheel. As i want to keep the tank in my room and the placement would basicly be right next to my head so sleeping could be a problem haha. I am planning on having a tropical tank however im not sure on the stocking ratio and which animals mix with others. I would also like to have lots of algae eaters and cleaners to help keep the tank in good shape as i would like the first tank to run smoothly :)

One animal i would really like in the tank is at least one hopefully two crabs if theres enough space 12inches squared each should be enough :D i have been looking at the red clawed crab however there seems to be some discussion as to wether or not they live in brackish or freshwater. So any help on which would be best for them would be appreciated. So what other fish, or other invertebrates could i keep in the tank that wouldnt get mauled or attack the crabs?

I really like the look of the mystery snail however im not sure if the crabs would cut it up ha ha.

Thanks for reading Adam. 8)
Hi Adam,

Welcome to the forum.

Are Marineland/Perfecto products available in the UK?

Heaters should not make noise. They're basically just electrical resistors with a thermostat. Have been very happy with our Marineland Stealth heater. Not sure if they make one that's labeled for use with a 10 gal, but it would be perfectly acceptabe to use the one labeled for 20-30 gal which I think is the 150 watt. Whatever brand you go with, get one that is adjustable (you'll thank yourself later).

I think you'll find some very knowledgable and helpful people here (I'm not one). Hopefully someone with more experience will be along shortly to help with your other questions.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:01 PM   #6
 
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That is a good filter that JohnnyD recommended depending on the fish you decide yo put in the tank. If you decide on a betta like Angel suggested, the water current will be too strong for his long fins. An internal filter would be better and they are virtually silent.

If you go with something like tetras, the water current will be fine for them with the penguin filter. I also highly recommend AquaClear filters. I like these because the sponge nor biomax ever have to be changed, just rinsed out in old tank water. This will save you on cost. AquaClear makes a filter for 5-20 gallons. Both filters should be pretty quiet. The only noise you will really hear is the trickling water if the level gets low. If this happens just water a little more treated water until it stops.

As everyone else stated, heaters will never make noise, so no worries with that.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:08 PM   #7
 
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You can not time a cycle. You'll need to have a liquid test kit that measures NO2, NO3 and Ammonia; without testing it each day you will not know when its cycled; this can happen in 1 week or one month.

Hardy fish firs yes; Inverts farrr later they;re SUPER sensitive to any NO peaks and it will kill them; so only then add them when you know for sure your tank is cycled (readings permanent 0) and then a few weeks later

Yup they sure are cool, no question about this: But read the entire article you just posted here yourself spc the Part that say's "Air"
Mollies, or any Livebearer for that matter have baby's more then bunnies do; which in a 10g will be overstocked & a sick tank in no time at all; and they're just too large fish to keep in there.
The only one popping into my head right now that'd be small with land parts for crabs in there are Norman's Lampeye aka Blue eyes here's a picture for reference http://www.seriouslyfish.com/images/..._normani_1.jpg

My internals make no noise at all (unless you REALLY press your ear on to the glass and you'll hear this lil humming)...Here's what I love for small tanks, good quality, fair price (The 2206 model) EHEIM aquaball Internal Filter - Filtration & Circulation - Fish - PetSmart

No these water filters will filter out EVERYTHING incl the things such as minerals you'd want in your tank!!! The only thing as far as water that is a must have, having a tank is a good water conditioner (for which I'd suggest "Prime")
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:20 PM   #8
 
Ok thanks for all the posts guys/girls :) especially the one about the filter as i believe i saw that in my local pet shop so i should be able to get one.

Just been looking at some information i found there Red Claw Crab, Sesarma bidens Profile, with care, maintenance requirements and breeding information for your tropical fish
And it seems that i should be able to stock two red claw crabs, 4 bumblebee gobbies (hopefully eat the guppy fry :D) and then 1 male guppy and 3 females. So would this work out as the conditions will be slightly salty which might put the guppies off.

Yeah the crabs need air :D ive got a lovely piece of drift wood in the garage which should be about the right size. As for the cycling thing i guess it will just take a bit of practice to know what im doing haha.

Cheers Adam

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Old 01-27-2010, 09:17 PM   #9
 
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I'm not sure I would get so many of the gobies. They're tiny, sure, but they can be sort of territorial with one another so you're probably better off with just two of them. Guppies can tolerate mildly brackish water so you should have no problem there.

As far as filters go, I'd personally recommend a mini-canister for this tank. Since you're going to have a reduced water level (to accommodate the crabs) a traditional power filter will either not have a long enough intake tube to work or, if it does, it'll result in a very loud waterfall, which doesn't sound like something you'd be happy about.

Check this out:
Canister Filters: Rapids Mini Canister Filter at Drs. Foster and Smith

Something like that would allow you to position the intake and output of the filter below the water line even in a tank with a lowered water line, which would be far less noisy. There are also some internal filters that have intakes at the bottom and waterfall-style outputs near the top, but it might be hard to position one correctly and not have it be really loud due to the waterfall.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:48 AM   #10
 
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+1 on what batman said if you go with the crabs. I saw you asked about adding the plants. You can add them right away as long as you treat the water first with water condition (I use Prime and love it). The plants acctually help with the cycle.
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