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post #11 of 23 Old 08-02-2013, 10:18 AM
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I agree that for beginners to rather go through the normal cycling process otherwise you will never understand it.
Planted tanks takes more knowledge and money, but you cant argue that nothing really compares to a fully high tech planted tank with fish.
The reason I started mentioning planted tanks is most properbly because I have added another aquarium to my collection and started a fully planted tank. Just puts another perspective on an aquarium.
Funny, I setup my little cycle experiment so I could see exactly how a plantless tank might cycle. I found the plants to be so easy... when it comes right down to it both are simple, just different. I am now considering a tank with rocks and hardscape rather than plants as a result of seeing how this works... also to add another perspective for me.

With fish in you should change the water every day or two while using a conditioner like Prime that renders the ammonia and nitrites non-toxic to the fish if there are any measurable levels of either. What the actual level is of less concern but preferably under 1ppm is best. With only a few fish and regular changes it will not likely get any higher anyway.

Don't mess with the pH, it's better to be stable than bang on... within the range needed for the fish is still more ideal but there are ways to adjust it naturally rather than with adjustment chemicals. See where it settles once the tank is established and then you can research what might be best at that point. There are lots here that have good ideas for that.

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Day 4 of cycling I haven't seen any nitrites or nitrates and my ammonia is at .5 ppm right now (doing a water change as we speak) should I add the prime everyday?


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Day 4 of cycling I haven't seen any nitrites or nitrates and my ammonia is at .5 ppm right now (doing a water change as we speak) should I add the prime everyday?


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If you are on city water, you should be adding it every change for the chlorine anyway. The Prime works for a day or two so if you are changing every two days, just use Prime when you change.

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Is this prime?


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Didn't upload it's called start right though


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post #16 of 23 Old 08-02-2013, 04:09 PM
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Here's a link to the manufacturer's product page.

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Will my ammonia levels still come up on a API test kit?


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post #18 of 23 Old 08-02-2013, 04:22 PM
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Yes, but they are non-toxic with the Prime treatment and it doesn't affect any cycling or plant uptake of ammonia.

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Yes, but they are non-toxic with the Prime treatment and it doesn't affect any cycling or plant uptake of ammonia.
I was wondering about that, because everybody says to use prime, but the description says "removes ammonia" so I was confused. Thanks for clearing that up!
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I was wondering about that, because everybody says to use prime, but the description says "removes ammonia" so I was confused. Thanks for clearing that up!
Here's a good read about how it works... I need to refresh my memory on this topic as now I cannot recall why they claim that it is removed but it has something to do with creating some iminium salts or other.

How Prime works thread

I know that it removes chlorine by turning it into an ammonia compound so Prime actually will increase the amount of ammonia in the water but renders it harmless in the assumption that your cycle or plants can deal with it inside of 24-48 hours... whichis the mechanism of removal.

I don't believe that they really know exactly how or why it does this detox thing.

If you are in the process of creating a cycle, it will not remove any ammonia.

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