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Help set up new tank, and id a few parts.
Old 07-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #11
 
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You want a tube with a Kelvin rating around 6500K. With just the one tube over this tank, I would get one of the better makes, a Life-Glo or a ZooMed UltraSun. Make sure it is exactly one of these.
Ok, I actually went today! So, they didn't have either of these. :( They were recommending a LED light, thoughts? Should I just get a floraglow, or I've heard that full spectrum daylight is good...
Their plant section is pitiful!! there are like 5 different kinds of plants... ordering online. And I saw like five dead fish (probably more). Ah, petsmart...
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:55 AM   #12
 
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to clean off the mineral deposits you can try vinegar or CLR and a flat razor blade (like a box cutter blade) .. ya know, the trapezoid style? The pictures look like they just let water evaporate and that's the hard water stains that are left over.

Every petsmart is different. I have one near me that is ok, but if I go like 2 more miles there's another one that has 3x the livestock.

I've been doing a lot of research and from what I've read about the LED's that petsmart and petco offer, that they are very little for a lot of cash. They are kind of the equivelent of buying a long strip light for $70 for a single t8..

Lighting can be cheap, or expensive depending on what your goal is. Sounds like you want low tech (no co2 or daily fertilizing). A 20 long is 30 inches long and that can be a hard size (same as a 29 gallon) and usually most strip lights can be 24" bulb in a 30" long light fixture. I'm not sure of your budget but if you decide on LED's can I suggest

Amazon.com: Finnex FugeRay Aquarium LED Light Plus Moonlights, 30-Inch: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Finnex FugeRay Aquarium LED Light Plus Moonlights, 30-Inch: Pet Supplies

I am making an assumption that you have a 2 part hood? 1 part with a hinge and clear plexi area (that the light sits on) and 1 long 30" light? this is the standard style hood. This fixture could fit in the plexi area and look like it belongs there. Another option is to get the 30" clear glass "versa top" and set it on that. Assuming you set it at the top of the aquarium (which is 12" deep) and have 2 inches or so of sand, that puts you at "roughly" 48 PAR which is considered medium light but not really super low.. you should be able to grow the plants on your list and not have to inject CO2. You'd also get even coverage and not have 2 large black areas where the 24" light isn't shining near the top of the aquarium.


This company (Finnex) is coming out with an LED later this year named the Fugeray Planted+ and I'm getting the 48" for my new 55 I just picked up.

Either way, Amazon is your friend. Petco/Smart is WAAAAYY over priced at FULL MSRP for everything!

Let me know if anything I said is confusing, I tend to ramble and get excited..


first edit: From the 1 picture of this tank it looks like a 20 tall. Is it 24" long or 30" long.? If it is 24" long it's a 20 tall. If your tank is 24" tall you'd just get the 24" version of that light and you'd be at "low" light (roughly 32 par)


Second edit: w00t 400th post, ! I'm getting up there in the world, but I'll never catch Byron LOL

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Old 07-11-2013, 01:30 AM   #13
 
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ACK I was editing the above post and I took too long. Some of my #'s are messed up cause I was fixing them.

let me clear it up:

20 long is 30" long
20 tall is 24" long

20 long is hard to light due to 30 inch length because no one makes a 30" T8 bulb, and if they do it's exclusive to something like Aqueon and you'll pay like 16.99 a bulb every year or whenever it burns out.

20 tall isn't as hard to light but it's taller so you might need a stronger light if you want to grow "medium" light plants,

With the fixture I linked:

24" version you'd be at 22 par which is very low light, wouldn't grow med plants
30" version you'd be at 32 par (all rough numbers by +-5) which is ok for all low plants and "some" medium plants. They'd just grow slow or tall and spindly

ACK.. why did I bother with this fixture? I've heard good things about it .. pricewise it's ok, but keep in mind that the doublebright (which is more expensive) has LOWER numbers and wont be as good for plants


Amazon.com: Finnex Ray2 Aquarium LED Daylight, 24-Inch: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Finnex Ray2 Aquarium LED Daylight, 24-Inch: Pet Supplies
This would be good for plants, it's the next version up and would be good if it's a "TALL" tank, for the "LONG" tank the one in my other post is better.

I saw this one in my LFS the other day, it can mimic lightening storms

Amazon.com: Current USA Satellite Freshwater LED Plus Light for Aquarium, 24 to 36-Inch: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Current USA Satellite Freshwater LED Plus Light for Aquarium, 24 to 36-Inch: Pet Supplies

This would put you at roughly upper end of low light which IMO is good

Don't know why I didn't think of this unit in that whole last post.. it's a great unit. saw it in action
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:02 AM   #14
 
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to clean off the mineral deposits you can try vinegar or CLR and a flat razor blade (like a box cutter blade) .. ya know, the trapezoid style? The pictures look like they just let water evaporate and that's the hard water stains that are left over.
Ah, ok. The Lady at Petsmart suggested it, but I wasn't sure if it was good... Cince they don't SELL vinegar I was more inclined to believe her but still... Let's hope vinegar does the trick! I got a LOT of it off with a bit of scrubbing, so let's hope! Yea... it looks like they didn't use it for a while before they put it out, but still kept water in it...
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I've been doing a lot of research and from what I've read about the LED's that petsmart and petco offer, that they are very little for a lot of cash. They are kind of the equivelent of buying a long strip light for $70 for a single t8..
Alright then, I think I'll go with Byron's suggested light, but buy it on Amazon. Don't you just love that site?
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From the 1 picture of this tank it looks like a 20 tall. Is it 24" long or 30" long.? If it is 24" long it's a 20 tall. If your tank is 24" tall you'd just get the 24" version of that light and you'd be at "low" light (roughly 32 par)
It is indeed a long, it's measurements are: 30 in. Length by 12 in. Width by 12 in. Tall.
Thanks for all your help!

On another subject... I used advisor and this is what I plan on doing:
(Yess!!! It worked this time!) It says with my filtration I can go to 126%. With that in mind, my mom thinks I should do a larger fish (only one or two) of some kind. Would there be anything y'all can think of?

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Old 07-11-2013, 11:49 AM   #15
 
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maybe a single male bolivan ram. Kind of stay on the bottom but always out front. My is so dopey I love him
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:39 PM   #16
 
O.O, so pretty.... *in trance* lol, but seriously they are so cute!! I've also heard that everyone loves these guys! Now with the BR it says 100% capacity, so I'd better stop there... :)

I forgot to mention before... my hood is for a bulb BIGGER than a T8, I think it's for a "regular" bulb, rather than an aquarium one. We'll probably end up getting a new hood (partly because of that, partly because We're not sure if it works as it got rained on). Would y'all suggest a fluorescent or LED? If LED which would you suggest of the three mentioned above? (probably either the 1st or 3rd one, cause it is indeed a long)

Also, I'm planning to do a fish in cycle, I was planning on doing the shrimp one (where you put raw food shrimp in a mesh bag, and let it rot) but the tank is going to be in my bedroom, and I don't want it smelling of rotting shrimp for two months, or whatever. plus my mom is used to just putting the fish in, from her childhood fish tank(s). I'm planning to use some cherry barbs, they are I think the hardiest fish I plan on having, so let's hope they survive! Thoughts?

And, How many of each of the plants should I get? Again they are:
Pigmy Chain Sword
Java moss
Water Sprite
Thanks again for all the info!

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Old 07-11-2013, 02:48 PM   #17
 
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if led go with the current for color customization for low light or the fugeray for a bit more par but no customization on lighting (medium light).

The current has a remote and like 4-6 memory inputs so you want a green tank, you get a green tank, or blue, or red lol. It can also simulate rolling clouds and lightening storms. I just wish it had slightly more par.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:14 PM   #18
 
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O.O, so pretty.... *in trance* lol, but seriously they are so cute!! I've also heard that everyone loves these guys! Now with the BR it says 100% capacity, so I'd better stop there... :)

I forgot to mention before... my hood is for a bulb BIGGER than a T8, I think it's for a "regular" bulb, rather than an aquarium one. We'll probably end up getting a new hood (partly because of that, partly because We're not sure if it works as it got rained on). Would y'all suggest a fluorescent or LED? If LED which would you suggest of the three mentioned above? (probably either the 1st or 3rd one, cause it is indeed a long)

Also, I'm planning to do a fish in cycle, I was planning on doing the shrimp one (where you put raw food shrimp in a mesh bag, and let it rot) but the tank is going to be in my bedroom, and I don't want it smelling of rotting shrimp for two months, or whatever. plus my mom is used to just putting the fish in, from her childhood fish tank(s). I'm planning to use some cherry barbs, they are I think the hardiest fish I plan on having, so let's hope they survive! Thoughts?

And, How many of each of the plants should I get? Again they are:
Pigmy Chain Sword
Java moss
Water Sprite
Thanks again for all the info!
I love my bolivian rams :) they are beautiful and lovely fish. With the shrimp bag, you wont hafta leave it in for months, just until ur ammonia is at 1-2. Usually only takes a couple of days.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:24 PM   #19
 
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I have heard nothing but problems with shrimp. I'd suggest going to ace hardware and ask for pure ammonia. Should only need a couple cap fulls to get to 1-2ppm. You will need an ammonia test kit. Put in ammonia, wait 1 hour and test, add more if needed and wait 1 hour test again. Test daily and add if necessary.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:25 PM   #20
 
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With the shrimp bag, you wont hafta leave it in for months, just until ur ammonia is at 1-2. Usually only takes a couple of days.
REALLY? And that cycles the whole tank? Wow, I might just go with the shrimp after all... :D
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hmmmm... How much does the ammonia cost?
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