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post #11 of 13 Old 01-25-2012, 07:16 PM
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If you really don't want to have more neons, then i would not get them. The existing 4 have been together for several years, and in this situation I always think it best to let nature take its course and leave them. Give them a suitable environment of course, but beyond that let them finish their time together. Adding more might cause issues after so long, even with characins, though not likely. I have some characin species that are down to 3 due to gradual demise over several years, and some I can't get locally and one I also don't want more of, so this is my method.

As long as the neons are still around, i would not raise the temp above 77F, but there are several other peaceful fish that could be added.

On the water hardness, those numbers equate to approximately 7 dGH and 7 dKH which is not at all bad. If you want to go with soft water fish, this is very workable. Were it me, I would work on reducing the pH a bit, aiming to have it just below 7 (in the 6's range). Partial dilution of the tap water with pure water will achieve this easily. I would do it slowly in stages so as not to shock the existing fish. Here in the Pacific Northwest and SW BC, rainwater is plentiful and works very well. For the minimal amounts you would need, a clean large tub container such as a new rinsed-out garbage bin outside in a good rain would collect enough. Let the rain fall for a bit before collecting. As long as there is no heavy industry nearby, it should be safe.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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Thanks! I might try adjusting the pH, but I'm frustrated by the lack of accuracy using these strips, so I don't think I will try to change anything until I can source a better kit. I have the API tests for pH, but I assume if I play around with that it will also change the hardness. Will hit amazon up in a bit and see if I can order something better.

This is my working plan:

-- keep the neons at 4
-- Add ~10 of another type of tetra (I'm leaning towards Flame Tetras right now).
let everyone settle in for awhile and see how the neons do
-- rehome the shrimp
-- add a pair of dwarf cichlids (a. borellii? maybe one male 2-3 females)
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Thanks! I might try adjusting the pH, but I'm frustrated by the lack of accuracy using these strips, so I don't think I will try to change anything until I can source a better kit. I have the API tests for pH, but I assume if I play around with that it will also change the hardness. Will hit amazon up in a bit and see if I can order something better.

This is my working plan:

-- keep the neons at 4
-- Add ~10 of another type of tetra (I'm leaning towards Flame Tetras right now).
let everyone settle in for awhile and see how the neons do
-- rehome the shrimp
-- add a pair of dwarf cichlids (a. borellii? maybe one male 2-3 females)
On the hardness/pH relationship, this article I wrote might help:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-73276/

In your case, the KH is not high so adjusting pH is easier. To confirm the tap water hardness, I would contact the water supply people; many now have a website and this may be posted. This is better than buying a hardness kit which you will likely only use the once. Knowing what you are starting from is a good idea. If you find it and can't aquite figure it out, post the link and I'll take a look.

Assuming these numbers are close, rainwater will work very well. The GH and KH will be slightly reduced but not enough to be problematic in other ways, and the rain will be acidic and it will not change in the tank.

Byron.

Byron Hosking, BMus, MA
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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