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Old 10-18-2011, 08:11 PM   #1
 
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help me please................

Hi my name is Andrew and I need to know something, I will list what I have.

55 gallon freshwater tank
1 70 gallon filter and a 10 gallon filter
heater
bubbler

10 neon tetras
8 Harlequin Rasboras
2 zebra danio
1 Redfin danio
2 three spotted gouramis
2 emeral green corys
2 spotted corys
2 dwarf ottos
3 platys
1 pleco
3 apple snails

Live plants consist of

4 sword tails
6 anubius
1 onion plant
1 viney plant
1 hornwort

My question is "Is my tank overstocked", and should I take some out?????

My way of thinking is I have a bubbler, extra filter suction, and live plants they should be fine but I am unsure.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:34 PM   #2
 
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help me please................

Hi my name is Andrew and I need to know something, I will list what I have.

55 gallon freshwater tank
1 70 gallon filter and a 10 gallon filter
heater
bubbler

10 neon tetras
8 Harlequin Rasboras
2 Zebra Danio
1 Redfin danio
2 three spotted gouramis
2 emeral green corys
2 spotted corys
2 dwarf ottos
3 platys
1 pleco
3 apple snails

Live plants consist of

4 sword tails
6 anubius
1 onion plant
1 viney plant
1 Hornwort

My question is "Is my tank overstocked", and should I take some out?????

My way of thinking is I have a bubbler, extra filter suction, and live plants they should be fine but I am unsure.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:18 PM   #3
 
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Hi my name is Andrew and I need to know something, I will list what I have.

55 gallon freshwater tank
1 70 gallon filter and a 10 gallon filter
heater
bubbler

10 neon tetras
8 Harlequin Rasboras
2 Zebra Danio
1 Redfin danio
2 three spotted gouramis
2 emeral green corys
2 spotted corys
2 dwarf ottos
3 platys
1 pleco
3 apple snails

Live plants consist of

4 sword tails
6 anubius
1 onion plant
1 viney plant
1 Hornwort

My question is "Is my tank overstocked", and should I take some out?????

My way of thinking is I have a bubbler, extra filter suction, and live plants they should be fine but I am unsure.
My .02, yes you are overstocked. I'm looking at it like this; even if those fish are schools in nature, does not mean one should by like 10 of each and put them in confined area. Schools like a lot of space in nature, not possible to replicate the same amount of space in a house-hold or similar places.

I'm counting 33 fish (not including snails) thats a lot of waste from fish. There is really no set rule, fish; like mammals, like a lot of space.

If you like cleaning your aquarium, then no. My aquarium cycles completely every 7 1/2 minutes (50 gallon) and it still smells like urine (ammonia or Urine). 21 fish, I'm thinking I'm pushing it with those many fish.

My fish tank has one side lightly planted, with some vitamin and minerals, a place they can hide, some Hornswort and Anacurus, caves w/ lots of bubbles w/places for wading when tired of active swimming, other side open space for swimming/low current. They absolutely love the open space.

Every one in the tank can out swim my Betta; so the open space is neccesary for them to get away from each others attacks; no plants, nothing to hinder swimming but the second filter.

Think goodness for Bettas being sluggish swimmers.

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Old 10-18-2011, 10:27 PM   #4
 
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Okay, fish count really really doesn't matter. I'll point you in the direction of Byrons post here: Can I add 9 fish at once?

The problem Im seeing is more that several of the fish you have listed prefer to be in larger groups. Danios, for instance, need to be in groups of 6+. Cory's like to be in groups of AT LEAST 3+ per species. They are very social fish.

Otos, bare minimum of 3 in the tank.


The other issue I see is that you are wanting to include livebearers with tetra, which are soft water fish. What are your water parameters (pH and hardness)? If you keep platys with neons, one of the two will suffer since platys prefer very hard, alkaline water and tetra like soft, acidic water.

Another thing is that Zebra Danio's are very active swimmers. This will not bode well with the gouramis who are very slow and sedate fish. If you want the danio's, Id reconsider the gourami's.

These are bigger issues than the quantity of fish you have planned.

Let us know what your hardness and pH are and we can help you further!
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:53 PM   #5
 
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Yeah.. I don't think that the tank is overstocked, just not properly stocked.

The neons and harlies are fine, but you need at least 5 danio, 3 more of the spotted corys, 3 more of the emerald green "corys", probably one more oto, and I know that at least the platys probably won't go well with the others because, as jbro said livebearers (platys) and some of your other fish (neons) prefer different ph levels and different water hardness. Also, the gourami are possibly going to be too aggressive for the tank.

Another thing, you don't really need to have that 10gal filter running, unless you've got it set up as like a back up for your quarantine tank or something.
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:06 AM   #6
 
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Well thank you very much for your reply's. I have had this tank up and running for 2 1/2 years now and I added the gouramis 2 months ago, and the neon 1 month ago. Now I know that the gouramis are semi aggresive fish and should not be put with aggressive fish, it brings out the aggression. The two I have only play with eachother, both female they like to chase eachother around the tank, they are quit active, besides the schools I have. All platy's and neons seem to be doing good together and the water I'm sorry I have never tested the water, I go by smell and clearity. Of course I do normal water changes 25% every couple of weeks and then a 50% change every 6 months. I have only had one death in 2 1/2 years, knock on wood.

I use tap water and Multi-purpose aquarium water conditioner. I do have a platy that does have ick and she is in quaranten. I am using two filters to cover the top and bottom of the tank. Since I had my platy's they have given me lots of babies, and they are the only ones that have, for all my other fish I would have to turn off the heat then that would trigger them to lay there eggs. So having a heater controls what can mate and what can't.
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:35 AM   #7
 
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Okay, fish count really really doesn't matter. I'll point you in the direction of Byrons post here: Can I add 9 fish at once?

The problem Im seeing is more that several of the fish you have listed prefer to be in larger groups. Danios, for instance, need to be in groups of 6+. Cory's like to be in groups of AT LEAST 3+ per species. They are very social fish.

Otos, bare minimum of 3 in the tank.


The other issue I see is that you are wanting to include livebearers with tetra, which are soft water fish. What are your water parameters (pH and hardness)? If you keep platys with neons, one of the two will suffer since platys prefer very hard, alkaline water and tetra like soft, acidic water.

Another thing is that Zebra Danio's are very active swimmers. This will not bode well with the gouramis who are very slow and sedate fish. If you want the danio's, Id reconsider the gourami's.

These are bigger issues than the quantity of fish you have planned.

Let us know what your hardness and pH are and we can help you further!
You do realize fish like lots and lots of room in spite of if they are social or not right. Yea, fish do get stressed but that chance of stress is increased more so if they don't have enough room. What has more chance of disease, one fish that used to being in a school in a large aquarium w/lots of room or a school fish in an aquarium costantly bumping around with other fish w/no room to kick start an immune system.

You have to treat the Lymphatic system of Fish like a humans.

One has to look at an aqurium as a prison, the more people in a prison, the more of a likelyhood of disease spreading very quickly and running rampant.

Ummm, I have very active and non-active swimmers in my tank, they co-habitate b/c there is lots of room.

Cory's don't mind being the ony fish, they are either searching for food or just laying around the tank somewhere, Corys do sometimes swim for fun, but they perfer scavaging.

Again Otos are to busy sucking algae off of the sides to really care about being social as they are not constant swimmers, neither are Cory's.

The trick is providing enough room so the fish won't get stressed out by an overzealous species or male.

Those" issues" of fish are created by the number of fish, good water quality is a given, as fish used to hard water do adjust to soft water, adding fish slowly to the aquarium will determine if your water needs to tested over and again, as you will lose maybe a couple of fish instead of 9 or 10. Chemestry of water changes with from no fish to 15 or 16.

O.p. you might wanna start to add those fish slowly and determine the personalitys of each fish so you can avoid fights. Just b/c they typically are timid does not mean they won't fight or react badly to the chemicals your city put in its water (assuming you are not using well water) Darwins theory will kick in every now and again.

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Old 10-19-2011, 12:42 AM   #8
 
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Hi my name is Andrew and I need to know something, I will list what I have.

55 gallon freshwater tank
1 70 gallon filter and a 10 gallon filter
heater
bubbler

10 neon tetras
8 Harlequin Rasboras
2 zebra danio
1 Redfin danio
2 three spotted gouramis
2 emeral green corys
2 spotted corys
2 dwarf ottos
3 platys
1 pleco
3 apple snails

Live plants consist of

4 sword tails
6 anubius
1 onion plant
1 viney plant
1 hornwort

My question is "Is my tank overstocked", and should I take some out?????

My way of thinking is I have a bubbler, extra filter suction, and live plants they should be fine but I am unsure.
Do you have any type of lighting?
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:44 AM   #9
 
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Neon Tetra PH is 6-7.8, and DH 1.0-2.0.

Platy's PH is 7-8, and DH 1.0-2.5.

So it is posible for both species to be together, all you have to do is meet in the middle of both. Like PH 7.5, and DH 1.7 and you have two species happy.
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:54 AM   #10
 
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[quote=trombonedemon;866784]My .02, yes you are overstocked. I'm looking at it like this; even if those fish are schools in nature, does not mean one should by like 10 of each and put them in confined area. Schools like a lot of space in nature, not possible to replicate the same amount of space in a house-hold or similar places.


Hobby fish are not wild fish and do not need that much room to swim back and forth. At the pet store, or even some hobbiest keep masses together until they sell. Every time I go to Big Al's or Petsmart I notice atleast three dead fish per tank, it's like they don't care. So taking some or 10 and putting them into a tank that is big enough just for them or with other non aggressive fish is doing them a favor. If you don't then it will be them dead the next day. I have seen tanks like 10-20 gallons filled to the extreme with guppy, goldfish, and platy's so full all you see is color. Mine is not like that all the fish have atleast one partner if not more, and there is pleanty of room left over. All I'm saying is all or most fish have been breed in mass number in one tank so what ever you give it at home is better then staying there.
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