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post #1 of 24 Old 06-08-2009, 08:58 PM Thread Starter
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Hello everyone. I am desperate for help here

On satrday, i went to a fish store and got a new tank, filter pump, a water plant, 2 young giant danios and 6 white cloud fish. I set up the tank nicely, intriduced the fish and everything was fine. Then, the next day i wake up to find the water had gone cloudy. I then did some reaserch on the net and found out about "cycling". Now, the water is cloudier than ever, 3 of my white cloud fish are dead, the rest are sick (not eating, movint slowly, gulping for air) and im freaking out. the nitrogen cycle has started.

I realy love my new fish and i don't want any more to die. Can anyone help me?
How can i comfort my fish while the tank is cycling?
i heard that giant danios are hardy fish but will they be able to cope with the high toxin levels?
and is there any way i can reduce the severity of this "new tank syndrome"?
i am changing about 20% of the water every day but it dosn't seem to be helping.

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post #2 of 24 Old 06-08-2009, 09:14 PM
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Not much you can do. Maybe try stress coat, but not sure if it will help. You're going to have to just wait and hope for the most part to see if your fish are gonna make it or not.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Hope it turns out well. The danios will have the highest chance for survival.

* One more note, how big is your tank? It appears to me like 5 gal from the pics. If so you have it over stocked with fish. You should also do some research on that as well. General rule of thumb is 1" of fish per 1 gallon of water.

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Sorry to hear about your rocky start to keeping fish. Don't get discouraged. It's a common mistake with new fish keepers. Good for you that you've researched about cycling. You'll need to get yourself a test kit so you can test for ammonia and nitrites and later for nitrates. API makes a good kit which includes all of these tests plus Ph. Here's a link to it Aquarium Water Testing: Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Freshwater Master Test Kit

You'll need to test your water so you know where you are in the cycle and to be able to tell when your tank is fully cycled. Don't add anymore fish until it's fully cycled. In the meantime water changes will help your fish. You may need to do a little larger changes but it depends on what your readings are. Don't touch the filter media at this time until your bacteria colony is established.

Be sure to use a good water conditioner such as Prime which can help detoxify ammonia and nitrites in the water. Heres a link to that Aquarium Water Quality & Conditioners: Seachem Prime Water Conditioner
Add the conditioner to any new water during your water changes.

I'm also curious what size tank it is. Giant danios are pretty active and grow to about 4" so they may need a larger tank. You may be ok with the white clouds.

Good luck and be sure to ask lots of questions. We are here to help.

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post #4 of 24 Old 06-08-2009, 11:48 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks so much for the information guys. I just did another water change now. How often should i do one? I will go out on the weekend to get an Ammonia and nitrite tester but for now i will need to guess how much ammonia is in there based on the cloudiness of the water. The fish actualy seem a little healthier with the latest water change. The danios are much more active but none of the fish will eat anything.
Im not sure exactly how many gallons my tank is but the dimentions are 36x22x26. How long do you think it will take for the cycle to complete?

Thanks for the help

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Most people would recommend a weekly 15% change, or around that much. Different people have different opinions. Also depends on other factors like how much ammonia is in your tank etc... I personally change out about 3 gallons weekly. All the bad stuff stays low for me with that much.

And cycling can take anywhere from about 4-6 weeks or so to be fully cycled.

And your tank is a 5 gal, or 18.3 liters if you use liters. At some point, your danios will need a new, bigger home. You would be fine with just the white clouds for their full life in this tank however.

We've all had our falls, like jeaninel said, try not to get discouraged!

And imo, since your willing to research and ask for help at places like this, I'm sure you'll do good in this hobby. =)

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post #6 of 24 Old 06-09-2009, 12:44 AM
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I would do 50% waterchanges daily until the tank levels out. Thats what i did in my 10 gal.
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post #7 of 24 Old 06-09-2009, 01:53 AM Thread Starter
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not a good sign

Just when i thought things were getting better I have found that one of my giant danios can't swim properly and is swimming on its side. Also, it sometimes lies upside-down on my water plant. this is simmilar to how one of my white clouds acted before it died. I cant loose this one too! how can i help it?
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Just when i thought things were getting better I have found that one of my giant danios can't swim properly and is swimming on its side. Also, it sometimes lies upside-down on my water plant. this is simmilar to how one of my white clouds acted before it died. I cant loose this one too! how can i help it?
As prevous members have said, the cycling process occurs naturally and has to run its course. Some fish are able to withstand the effect of ammonia and then nitrite poisoning, but many can't. The symptoms you've described is the result of that.

A biological supplement like "Cycle" or "Stress Zyme" will help reduce the stress on the fish, and if used from the first day would in my view have saved some of them, but probably not all and at this stage I don't know. it depends upon how bad their gills have been burned. Adding Cycle or SZ can't hurt, so if you can get some I would do it immediately.

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i am changing about 20% of the water every day but it dosn't seem to be helping.
In mature tanks there are bacteria present that process toxins with in fish tank and brake them down in to other toxins that could be removed from the tank by you. In your tank there is no such bacteria yet! So.. no matter how big and how ofter you change your water, it will not help, as a matter of fact I think it only hurts your tank as you interfere with biological processes. change water 20-35% every week. ones a week. + Get some cycle! it's beneficial bacteria in the bottle that you can add to your tank and speed up cycling process just like Byron suggested.


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Thanks so much for the information guys. I just did another water change now. How often should i do one? I will go out on the weekend to get an Ammonia and nitrite tester but for now i will need to guess how much ammonia is in there based on the cloudiness of the water. The fish actualy seem a little healthier with the latest water change. The danios are much more active but none of the fish will eat anything.
Im not sure exactly how many gallons my tank is but the dimentions are 36x22x26. How long do you think it will take for the cycle to complete?

Thanks for the help
Since your tank is new and cycling you will probably need to do daily water changes or at least test the water daily. If ammonia or nitrites rise above .25 ppm then you'll need to do a water change. Once the tank is fully cycled (you have 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites and some reading for nitrates) then weekly water changes are fine. I do 25-30% water changes each week on my tanks.

As stated the cycle can take about 4-6 weeks or so.

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