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post #21 of 37 Old 06-15-2010, 05:09 PM
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Assuming you mean the Odessa and Tinfoil Barbs; the Odessa (the name is still Puntius padamya) occurs in ponds fed by a river in Burma. The river flows over limestone and has a recorded pH of 11 and matching hardness. This fish would not suit your rasbora/gourami tank. Plus, while not feisty like Tigers, they are liable to eat anything smaller. And at close to 3 inches, anything like the rasbora you list could likely be a snack.

The Tinfoil (it is now Barbonymus schwanenfeldii) gets to be 14 inches and will (naturally) eat anything smaller if it can.

Generally speaking, barbs are active and somewhat boisterous. With similar-sized fish they are normally peaceful. But of course, their activity can cause havoc for quieter fish. For instance, you would not want them in with gourami such as your licorice, chocolate, etc. I had concerns over my "active" loaches with my chocs, but that has worked out fine as far as I can tell because the loaches stay down at the bottom and the chocs normally near the surface among plants. The dwarfs are quite active, swimming all over the tank, but I guess their small size sends a message that "we're friendly." But I would never add zebra danios to this setup, much too active mid-water for the gourami. And even the common "rasbora."

It is (as far as I know) only the Tigers and their variants that have a decidely nippy feisty streak programmed into them; many things can unleash it.

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post #22 of 37 Old 06-16-2010, 06:17 AM
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I had a group of black ruby barbs that seemed decidedly less problematic than tiger barbs, but then again they weren't being kept with fish that would provide them with a lot of nipping targets, anyway.

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post #23 of 37 Old 06-17-2010, 12:51 AM Thread Starter
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I guess I can see the point- Is ther a such thing as a dwarf barb?
Calmwaters gave me the name of someone who imports fish- with a list of about 800 species.

Also, decent prices... chain loaches for $10 a piece... Pretty high, but the cheapest I've found.

The rasboras wouldn't bother the samurai Gourami or viceversa?
I know some calm fish (dither fish) so maybe your chain loaches were appreciated? :)

Let be browse the list and see what sounds good

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I guess I can see the point- Is ther a such thing as a dwarf barb?
Calmwaters gave me the name of someone who imports fish- with a list of about 800 species.

Also, decent prices... chain loaches for $10 a piece... Pretty high, but the cheapest I've found.

The rasboras wouldn't bother the samurai Gourami or viceversa?
I know some calm fish (dither fish) so maybe your chain loaches were appreciated? :)

Let be browse the list and see what sounds good
Dwarf barb--not that I've found yet, though I admit to being less informed on barbs in general. In my work updating and adding profiles on barbs it seems the common ones are about the smallest, so 2-3 inches and up is the size for this group of fish. One thing all of my resource authorities agree on is that they are active, need to be in groups and not kept with smaller fish.

I got my dwarf (chain) loaches for $10 up here in Canada (usually more expensive than US prices) and this is the cheapest I've seen them.

Rasbora are very peaceful and not "active" and thus well suited to the quiet rarer gourami. I have 3 different species of rasbora in with my chocs and pygmys, no problems.

My Asians are in a 70g, and there are only about 40 fish in the tank so there's a fair bit of space, plus thick plants...all this works to make fish feel comfortable.

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post #25 of 37 Old 06-17-2010, 11:22 AM
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My chain loaches cost me $13 a piece here in the states. They are fantastic, amusing and playful little fish and worth every penny. If you decide to get them you WON'T be sorry!!

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post #26 of 37 Old 06-18-2010, 12:31 PM Thread Starter
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Trichopsis pumila
Tanichthys albonubes
Rasbora trilineatus
Boraras maculata
Boraras merah
Boraras urophthalmoides
Danio albolineatus
Danio choprae
Barbus nigrofasciatus
Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki
Botia kubotai
Hara jerdoni

The Danios might be a bit too active- I'd like a second opinion.
I only found one barb that I thought might work...

I'm not sure why I'm so dead-set to have danios, barbs, and rasboras... I guess I know that the Danios and barbs will be more active, but if all the fish are about the same size (.5 to <2 inches) would it really be a huge problem?

Still looking up for all this even though the 50 gallon fell through. :( Dunno when I'll be getting one

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Trichopsis pumila
Tanichthys albonubes
Rasbora trilineatus
Boraras maculata
Boraras merah
Boraras urophthalmoides
Danio albolineatus
Danio choprae
Barbus nigrofasciatus
Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki
Botia kubotai
Hara jerdoni

The Danios might be a bit too active- I'd like a second opinion.
I only found one barb that I thought might work...

I'm not sure why I'm so dead-set to have danios, barbs, and rasboras... I guess I know that the Danios and barbs will be more active, but if all the fish are about the same size (.5 to <2 inches) would it really be a huge problem?

Still looking up for all this even though the 50 gallon fell through. :( Dunno when I'll be getting one
There are fish in this list that absolutely should not be in the same aquarium.

Tanichthys albonubes is a cool water fish, and while many "keep" it in normal warm aquaria, it is not good to do so. Plus, the temp for some of the other fish you have should be 80F or higher, even worse for this poor minnow that comes from quite cool mountain streams.

The Boraras species really need their own environment. They are very tiny. These are simply not "community fish" as most of us use the term.

The danios and loaches are fine together; not sure about Hara jerdoni though, I have never seen this in stores, only know it from online (I'd like to get it if I could find it), it seems very quiet and shy but presumably would manage with the more active loaches. Both species you list are not rough but they are very active, and this can unsettle "shy" fish so I just caution it with Hara jerdoni in the same tank.

Remember that all of these are shoaling fish, needing groups; most authors mention 8-9 or more to ensure there is no rough stuff from the danios, barbs and larger rasbora--Rasbora trilineata is mentioned as a fin nipper with long-finned fish, so something to bear in mind if gourami may be in the picture.

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post #28 of 37 Old 06-18-2010, 01:32 PM Thread Starter
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Alrighty, no minnow. :)

My original idea was to just have lots and lots of really tiny fishes, so if it comes down to it I just won't get any of the larger Gourami, and won't get the large Botia.

Was definately going to have at least 10 of every species...

EDIT- not 10 of all the listed species, just 4 or 5.

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post #29 of 37 Old 07-30-2010, 04:13 PM
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This thread is already super thorough, but I wanted to drop my two cents in. My 30 gallon is set up as a SE asian biotope as well. Currently I have three Powder Blue Dwarf Gouramis and (here's what I want to draw your attention to) a school of 12 Lambchop Rasboras (Rasbora espei). At least I believe that's how you spell the scientific name.

They're delightful. They look a lot like the Harlequins but I'm very happy and their coloration is much brighter than you might expect. At least give them a look!
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This thread is already super thorough, but I wanted to drop my two cents in. My 30 gallon is set up as a SE asian biotope as well. Currently I have three Powder Blue Dwarf Gouramis and (here's what I want to draw your attention to) a school of 12 Lambchop Rasboras (Rasbora espei). At least I believe that's how you spell the scientific name.

They're delightful. They look a lot like the Harlequins but I'm very happy and their coloration is much brighter than you might expect. At least give them a look!
A lovely rasbora indeed. By the way, the scientific name is now Trigonostigma espei, check out our profile (click on the shaded name of fish in posts to see that profile, or use the second tab from the left in the blue bar at the top) for details; the meaning of the names is explained too. All three commonly-seen species in this genus are in the profiles, the fourth is not (yet) as it is extremely rare.

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