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Old 08-22-2010, 05:19 PM   #11
 
Thanks every one for responding. One last question....does algae hurt regular plant life??? Any long term adverse affects?? Thanks again everyone.
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:21 PM   #12
 
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I concur with what has been said since my last post. There is clearly a build-up of organics/nutrients that is out of balance.

I saw nothing of liquid fertilizer. Substrate ferts are fine, but obviously only for substrate-rooted plants. If you have floating plants or non-substrate rooted plants like Anubias and Java Fern, they will need a liquid as they only assimilate nutrients from the water column and Eco-complete is formulated to only leech nutrients in conjunction with plant roots/bacteria. I've no idea how, this is what the manufacturer says. It makes sense, as plant roots release oxygen for the bacteria and this could be a sort of catalyst.

You have fairly bright light (double what I have on any of my tanks) plus CO2, so you will need balancing minerals. A liquid fert may be needed, just as a suggestion.

I would reduce the light, you have already done this. An hour makes quite a difference. I saw hair algae slightly increasing, I cut back by one hour to 11 hours, it stopped. Monitor what you've done for a week.

Blackouts work (sometimes). I prefer water changes, but first the balance has to be restored or it will just occur over and over. But now that you've reduced the light, try a water change (50%) alternate days, every day, as needed. If the light reduction was sufficient you will see a difference.

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Any suggestions on liquid fertilizers??? I do have some frogbit and one anubias
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:40 PM   #13
 
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I use Flourish Comprehensive (not to be confused with Flourish Excel).
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:55 PM   #14
 
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I use Flourish Comprehensive (not to be confused with Flourish Excel).
Thanks.. I presume I should get a handle on the algae problem first????? This forum is great. Top notch advice!!!
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Old 08-22-2010, 06:14 PM   #15
 
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Thanks every one for responding. One last question....does algae hurt regular plant life??? Any long term adverse affects?? Thanks again everyone.
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The damage excessive algae does to plants is that the algae coating the leaves prevents normal respiration and suffocates the plants. Leaves with algae generally die fairly quickly. I have noticed in my tanks where I have minimal brush algae that when I remove a leaf that has more of this on it that others, the leaf is always brown at the base, which means the leaf is dying. I don't know whether the algae kills the leaf, or the algae is opportunistic and grows better on dying leaves, but the leaf is dying whichever.

Aside from the detrimental effect on plants, there is really no harm in algae, it is after all just another type of plant.
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Old 08-22-2010, 06:16 PM   #16
 
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I use Flourish Comprehensive (not to be confused with Flourish Excel).
Yes, I have found Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium to be one of the best complete ferts. They make several products in the "Flourish" line so make sure it is exactly this one, not Excel as kymmie said or one of the others.
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:18 AM   #17
 
Algae much better. New question, ICH.

I cut the CO2 rate in half. Cut the light to 9 hrs per day. I did 25-30% water changes every other day for a week. I was going to pull one of the bulbs but the system wont work unless both bulbs are in the hood. The free floating tank bloom is gone. I hand picked a ton of hair algae with forceps and it is still hanging on but not growing nearly as fast of course I am pulling it out daily.
New question? What is the safest method for treating ICH? Will the chemicals hurt the plants and fish? Is one brand of medication better than another or any to avid?? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Old 09-05-2010, 12:14 PM   #18
 
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Ich is about the only disease I may comment on; I think we've all had it and more often than we should.

Many ich remedies are copper-based, and care must be exercised with plants and fish; some fish are especially sensitive (characins, catfish, loaches). Plants will usually be negatively affected, though this can be temporary and after treatment the plants usually recover--i.e., they do not normally die from the treatment.

The "safest" treatment is simply raising the temperature to around 90F for a week. However, not all fish can tolerate this (some Corydoras for instance will die at this high a temp). But this treatment does avoid adding any chemicals which are generally more detrimental to fish (and plants) than a higher temp.

Some recommend salt with increased temp, but as with any chemical product salt is very detrimental to characins, catfish, loaches, most soft-water fish, and definitely with plants if it is used at the dose often suggested.

Personally, if I had to resort to adding a substance, I would choose a medicine over salt. I have had success with Aquari-Sol which though copper-based seems to be less trouble for sensitive fish, in my experience. And I have not noticed any effect on plants. I have also used Copper-safe, and the fish did not seem too bothered but the swords definitely were; existing leaves were affected but after a couple water changes new leaf growth was fine again.

If the ich infestation is not major, i.e., if it is just a spot or two on one or two fish, I leave it alone. Fish in a well-maintained tank are usually able to fight off ich. The last two times I saw it (with new fish) it cleared up on its own. Healthy fish will build up what some call an immunity to ich, by increasing their slime coat.

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Old 09-05-2010, 12:41 PM   #19
 
Thanks Byron

The tank is doing much better from a algae perspective. I am seeing just a few fish with what looks like ICH and have been hesitant to use chemicals. It does not seem to be spreading or getting worse on the fish who have tiny little white spots on them. Thanks for the advice. I will let it be for now and hope things go well. I have no ammonia nitrates or nitrites of any significance.
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Old 09-18-2010, 12:49 PM   #20
 
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Thanks all for the help. There are pictures in my album now. The algae is much much better. The reduction to 9 hrs of light and CO2 reduction by 50% have helped a bunch. I picked a ton of algae out with a set of forceps and the free floating bloom is gone and it seems like I am controlling the hair algae by the procedure above. I planted the tank on 7-23-2010 and it is time for my first plant trimming. Thanks again for the advice and encouragement everyone. Please feel free to comment on the tank. I am interested in the opinions of other hobbyists.
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