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Got yet another tank tonight...
Old 04-20-2011, 07:35 PM   #1
 
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Talking Got yet another tank tonight...

So, for an early 6th anniversary gift my hubby bought me a dress I had been wanting, a 15 gallon tank set up kit, a 100watt heater, and the SuperNaturals sand in a 20 lbs bag for the tank.

I wont set the new tank up until my next paycheck because I plan on buying tons of plants, as I want it 50-80% planted. I will also seed the tank with media and gravel from a tank currently running, cycled, and established. I will use the TopFin 20 filter that came with the tank, however I will be doing my own filter media (probably Fluval Clear Max and some floss and/or foam).

Planning on putting the betta, frog, and snail (might stick the snail in 29 gal too) from the 5 gal into the new 15 gal (otos will go to the established 29 gal so they wont starve). I will also add the 5 neon tetra from the 29 gal to the 15 gal. And I currently have 3 guppy fry, if any of them are female they will be added to the 15 gal. And then I will add a shoal of cories to the tank, and might grow the size of the neon shoal and leave it at that. If it wasnt for the betta, I would get a shoal of sparkling gourami.

Anyways...posting to get opinions and thoughts. I have kept many kinds of fish with male bettas before and the one I have now is actually really docile and friendly (except with the hubby...flares at him all the time! lol). So I was kinda looking to see what else others have kept in this similar size tank with a male betta other than neons, ADFs, snails, shrimp, and slower rasboras. Any other kinds of tetra that are small and non-nippers that you might recommend?

The water is moderately hard, and still waiting on a confirmation of my pH which I do know is somewhere between 6.5 and 7.4. Tank will be seeded and heavily planted so I wont have to wait for a major cycle. So fish that wont eat live plants would be helpful. And I am not looking for any bottom feeders or algae eaters at this point. Also considering pygmy hatchetfish if my LFS can ever get them in.

Thanks for helping me brainstorm!!
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:02 PM   #2
 
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My opinion?? You're spolied by your husband...good for you!! Lucky girl.
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:48 PM   #3
 
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My opinion?? You're spolied by your husband...good for you!! Lucky girl.
LOL...Thanks!! :)

Yeah, he also bought the 29 gal set up and stand way back. And for my birthday he took me to one of my favorite LFS and let me get what ever fish I wanted. Now to show him that I need a 60 gallon! LOL

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Old 04-21-2011, 06:18 AM   #4
 
Such a nice anniversary present! I have to buy my own tanks, and all I get from my partner is "You did what? How much did you spend now? You're not getting more (fish, tanks, plants, etc) are you?" Our anniversary is coming up - maybe if I mention your gift... probably won't do any good, though. Since I already have 6 tanks counting my QT tank, I don't think she'd agree that I need another. She does like to look at the fish, though.

I'm glad the betta and others in the 5g get to move to a bigger home soon. Some neons are fin nippers, so keep an eye out. I'd like to add one of my bettas to my 14g tetra tank, with the school of neons, but since they both are still recovering from fin/tail problems from before I had them, I'm not risking it yet. I'd like to have complete fins/tail before trying one of my boys in the tank, so I will be able to tell immediately if they are nipping at him and/or if he is stressed to the point of tail biting. (One of my boys does tail/fin bite when stressed. Not chronically, fortunately, just when overly stressed. He had chewed on his tail during transport, and just as it was healing up he decided to go after his dorsal fin, right after a more stressful than usual water change - I was being a bad betta mommy that night, but not on purpose. Then, when his dorsal fin was starting to look pretty good again, and his tail was pretty close to whole, we had another stressful water change. I was doing a close-to-100% water change one evening, and floated him in a mini-sized "kritter keeper" in the neon tetra tank, and had emptied his tank down to about 2 inches of water when I realized that I had used the rest of my water conditioner on the QT tank for the other betta, which had recently arrived. It was too late to go buy more, so he spent the night in the little cup in the tetra tank. I put his cave in with him so he could hide, but it also gave him less room to swim. The next day his tail was munched again. Poor little guy! He's healing again. )

Anyway, back to your plans - I assume that whatever female guppies you add will be big enough not to be eaten by the betta - I think you said in another thread that they are about 5 weeks old now? If so, they're probably safe now. By the way, even though the anal fin won't differentiate for another month or so, the females should be identifiable by the presence of the gravid spot very soon, if not already. A bunch of my 5-week-old guppy fry have definite gravid spots. I'm assuming those without are male, but some may be females who aren't yet showing the spot, so I won't know for sure on the males until the anal fin changes.

Have fun planting your tank, and do make sure it is completely cycled. The plants will help keep it cycled, but it still needs to cycle. Using media/substrate from your already cycled tank(s) will definitely speed it up, but you probably already knew that.

Edit: I've had problems with cories in any of my smaller tanks, including my 14g. Even with plants, driftwood, and big rocks for hiding, they were extremely skittish and often bashed into the walls of the tank trying to get away from anybody walking past the tank. It might depend on the type - the albinos seemed to be the most skittish, maybe because they tend not to stay on the bottom, but my peppereds were also much more skittish in the 14g than in the 47g. They are all in the 47g now, and aren't skittish at all, even when my cat tries to go fishing against the glass. Since you are planning to plant heavily, it might work out better for you. My tank is planted, as I said, but not as heavily as you are planning. Good luck, and have fun!

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Old 04-21-2011, 09:43 AM   #5
 
So...a while back he popped for a 29g setup...but for this anniversary is was a dress and a downgraded 15g setup??!! hmm.....hope it was a nice dress~! LOL

Nice present ... good luck steering him towards that 60g (they're real nice!)

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Old 04-21-2011, 05:43 PM   #6
 
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So...a while back he popped for a 29g setup...but for this anniversary is was a dress and a downgraded 15g setup??!! hmm.....hope it was a nice dress~! LOL

Nice present ... good luck steering him towards that 60g (they're real nice!)

LOL Oh how I laughed at this!!

We kind of pick our own gifts and the other pays for it, lol. Originally the 15 gal was going to be to house a Leucistic Axolotls (aquatic salamander), but I decided instead of a $40 amphibian, I'd rather have more fish room. And so I got the 15 gallon set up, a new 100 watt heater (with built in themometer and light indicator), and an overpriced bag of aquarium sand.

Oh there will be more spent, as our big day isnt until May 9th...when I will get a nice dinner out at our favorite steakhouse (Saltgrass).
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Old 04-21-2011, 06:00 PM   #7
 
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Such a nice anniversary present! I have to buy my own tanks, and all I get from my partner is "You did what? How much did you spend now? You're not getting more (fish, tanks, plants, etc) are you?" Our anniversary is coming up - maybe if I mention your gift... probably won't do any good, though. Since I already have 6 tanks counting my QT tank, I don't think she'd agree that I need another. She does like to look at the fish, though.

I'm glad the betta and others in the 5g get to move to a bigger home soon. Some neons are fin nippers, so keep an eye out. I'd like to add one of my bettas to my 14g tetra tank, with the school of neons, but since they both are still recovering from fin/tail problems from before I had them, I'm not risking it yet. I'd like to have complete fins/tail before trying one of my boys in the tank, so I will be able to tell immediately if they are nipping at him and/or if he is stressed to the point of tail biting. (One of my boys does tail/fin bite when stressed. Not chronically, fortunately, just when overly stressed. He had chewed on his tail during transport, and just as it was healing up he decided to go after his dorsal fin, right after a more stressful than usual water change - I was being a bad betta mommy that night, but not on purpose. Then, when his dorsal fin was starting to look pretty good again, and his tail was pretty close to whole, we had another stressful water change. I was doing a close-to-100% water change one evening, and floated him in a mini-sized "kritter keeper" in the neon tetra tank, and had emptied his tank down to about 2 inches of water when I realized that I had used the rest of my water conditioner on the QT tank for the other betta, which had recently arrived. It was too late to go buy more, so he spent the night in the little cup in the tetra tank. I put his cave in with him so he could hide, but it also gave him less room to swim. The next day his tail was munched again. Poor little guy! He's healing again. )

Anyway, back to your plans - I assume that whatever female guppies you add will be big enough not to be eaten by the betta - I think you said in another thread that they are about 5 weeks old now? If so, they're probably safe now. By the way, even though the anal fin won't differentiate for another month or so, the females should be identifiable by the presence of the gravid spot very soon, if not already. A bunch of my 5-week-old guppy fry have definite gravid spots. I'm assuming those without are male, but some may be females who aren't yet showing the spot, so I won't know for sure on the males until the anal fin changes.

Have fun planting your tank, and do make sure it is completely cycled. The plants will help keep it cycled, but it still needs to cycle. Using media/substrate from your already cycled tank(s) will definitely speed it up, but you probably already knew that.

Edit: I've had problems with cories in any of my smaller tanks, including my 14g. Even with plants, driftwood, and big rocks for hiding, they were extremely skittish and often bashed into the walls of the tank trying to get away from anybody walking past the tank. It might depend on the type - the albinos seemed to be the most skittish, maybe because they tend not to stay on the bottom, but my peppereds were also much more skittish in the 14g than in the 47g. They are all in the 47g now, and aren't skittish at all, even when my cat tries to go fishing against the glass. Since you are planning to plant heavily, it might work out better for you. My tank is planted, as I said, but not as heavily as you are planning. Good luck, and have fun!
The neons going in with the betta are actually old tankmates of his, I just moved them out to a larger tank so they could have more swimming room until I got this set up (which I was going to buy for myself if he didnt, lol). I am blessed with a very docile betta.

Yeah I am going to remove everything from the 5 gal except the tank walls and mini heater and put in the new 15 gal. Along with like 5-6 plants. I am even taking the filter as a whole from the 5 gal (which is a 10 gal filter) and going to run it on the 15 gal with the 20 gal filter it came with.

In my 29 gallon I have like 10 cories, 4 of which are albinos...who are my faves!! They are pretty active, its actually my Emeralds and Julii that are rather shy on ocassion, then again they are the newest of the bunch. And the habrosus are actually really outgoing, I'd thought they would be the skittish ones...but largest one, a female, loves to great me in the front of the tank. I was thinking of peppered or julii cories for the new tank.

The guppy fry ranges in size (dont know if they were the same drop or not as its not from my fish). But the largest guppy is probably just a couple of days away from me being able to sex, and I think its going to be a phantom (black guppy)...which is exciting as I love those and have a zebra phantom in my 29 gallon. The fry will stay in the net breeder in the largest tank until they are like 3/4"-1".

Yeah, he is always shaking his head when i come in with a new fish, or pet product. As this is tank 3 and we have a dog and a cat, and I have also been wanting to get some kind of reptile and will also probably convert the 5 gal down the road into a tank for a vampire crab. I spend WAY TOO MUCH money on my pets!!! Seriously, between Dec and April, I added it up, and its been like $1500 just on fish and their needs!!!

Any hints from ya'll on how to deal with this stupid sand in this tank and its cloudiness??? I washed it over and over before putting it in the tank, let it sit for like 24 hours and then today I did a 95% water change, and once I turned the filter back on it was disgustingly brown again! AGHHH!!! And I have been using a clearifier...after the first time I used the one that came with the bag of sand. I mean, until I can get it mostly clear I refuse to add any decor, seeding material, heater, fish or anything to it. Right now its just the sand, water, and filter it came with that I am just running with active carbon in it. Help?! lol
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:33 PM   #8
 
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Update as I had posted in another thread I have going...

So this evening I ended up doing 2 more water changes on the tank. Thankfully before the last water change, I figured out what the issue was. I forgot to drain the water in the new filter that was full of the orange colored sand debris. So after I drained and cleaned the inside of the filter there was such a great improvment on visablilty I decided to go ahead and get it all set up, seeded, planted, and houseing a few animals.

I took a panty hose foot and filled it with as much gravel from the old 5 gal tank as I could squeeze into the new filter. I also drizzled the old gravel over the sand (that was planned as that was kind of the look I was going for). I used the bridge decor from the old 5 gal too. I also decided to go ahead and add the filter from the 5 gal to the 15 gal (with all the lovely bacteria completely intact, as I switched it from tank to tank in seconds).


So, I figure it was seeded well enough. I also planted in it my 4 cryptrocoryne wendtii and my little pennywort. I didnt plant the mondo grass (I know its only partially aquatic, but its still going strong since getting it like 2-3 months ago, I dont expect much more life out of it, but it may surprise me), but I didnt plant it because my mondo grass is much taller than my 15 gallon (its still in the 29 gallon tank).

So I put the 2 otos from the 5 gal into the 29 gal. I only put the betta, the frog, and the snail into the new 15 gal.

So, my questions are...

1- Is that enough seeding and live plants for the moment to hopefully keep the levels safe?
2- Is it okay to have the snail in such a new set up or should I move him to the 29 gallon like I did the otos?

As always, thank you!!!

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