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Food brand question..
Old 11-17-2011, 06:05 AM   #1
 
Food brand question..

Was looking through old threads to find out what brands of food the board recommends or prefer and came across hikari quite a bit. I've been looking for quality food for my fish so I decided to grab some hikari micro pellets and wafers. So I get home and realize the first ingredient is "fish meal ".Had always heard that's not the first thing listed , would rather see "whole "I guess I kind of assumed hikari had top quality ingredients without looking first. So my question is what makes hikari so good if they have the dreaded fish meal listed first on there ingredients?
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Old 11-17-2011, 09:39 AM   #2
 
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The term "fish meal" is a generic term, and I'd have to say that all fish meal is not created equal. There's high quality fish meal and not-so-high quality fish meal. Hikari as well as others have undoubtedly chosen to use high quality ingredients in their products, otherwise they wouldn't be held in such high regard nor survived in a relatively specialized and very competitive market. So, their use of fish meal doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing and in fact, Hikari, Tetra, and other companies mention the use of high quality, high protein fish meal in their marketing propaganda. (in other words, they brag about it).
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:14 AM   #3
 
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I dont use Hikari so I dont have much experience with that. I do use the Omega one brand. I have just about everything they make. The first ingredient is always something like Salmon, Kelp, Shrimp, etc. My fish love it too. Even my picky eaters will eat the Omega One food.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:06 AM   #4
 
Okay, I'll bite <g>... what's the perceived badness about fish meal in fish food? Do we need to have the big fishy, little fishy story?
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:31 AM   #5
 
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All I have is anecdotal 'evidence', but I'll share...

I've got some fry on Hikari First Bites, and the rest of my fish on various brands (including Hikari). But within a week of starting my Betta on Omega One, here comes a bubble nest. I took it to mean that he's telling me in no uncertain terms that he prefers the Omega One.

Guess who'll be switching all my fish to Omega One?
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:37 AM   #6
 
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I like Ocean nutrition,New Life Spectrum,Hikari,and Omega One and my fishes receive all of these as opposed to one or two.I mix em all together in tuppeware bowl and keep it in the fridge.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:06 AM   #7
 
Trying a new fish food and having a fish spawn and thinking the food is the cause is as unfounded has trying a new fish food and having a fish die and blaming the food. We all might do it, with no real basis in fact.

I'm with 1077, although I mix up to 5 and even more different brands of fish food flakes in a gallon ziplock bag. In time, I'll add additional food and mix it all together, getting the most diverse blend possible.
My theory on this is that each manufacturer for each brand has to use nearly the exact same recipe lot after lot to ensure a consistent product. Only by us mixing food types can we hope to feed our fish the most diverse and balanced diet. Originally, I was merely alternating between foods feeding after feeding. In time it seemed more practical to just mix them all together, then feed from one of the larger containers.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:30 AM   #8
 
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Okay, I'll bite <g>...

Hey, that's not bad!

quote=AbbeysDad;896490]what's the perceived badness about fish meal in fish food? Do we need to have the big fishy, little fishy story?[/quote]

I don't know if we need that story but I did notice you and I are the only ones to address the OP's original question about goodness/badness of fish meal and not what brands people use! So I would like to see everyone else who replied to please reply again!

Bossy, aren't I?

My opinion is that fish meal isn't a bad thing at all, concocted properly.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:54 AM   #9
 
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If I do an Irish jig in front of my tank every day at 11:17am while wearing a hula skirt and singing "Walk Like An Egyptian" into a hairbrush, and my betta blows a nest, I cannot even begin to prove or disprove that it had any correlation short of setting up a large number of exactly duplicate tanks and providing a control. Even then, even the best designed of experiments have variables outside of human control. Is likely that my jig and the nest had any correlation? When pigs fly.

If I feed my fish a new food and see a positive possible outcome with no other discernable changes in environment? There is a good chance that there is a correlation. Again, I cannot even begin to prove or disprove my theory without a number of tanks set up in exactly the same way and with exactly the same parameters and with fish of the same age and genetic material. And, still, there are variables. This is why scientists use very large testing groups and studies are run multiple times by multiple labs, to try to decrease the chances of interference by uncontrollable variables.

What I've found is precisely no different than what you've found. I fed a particular diet and have healthy, happy fish. You fed a particular diet and have healthy, happy fish. Neither one of us can prove anything. Ultimately I think that, in the world of home fish keeping, it is all AT BEST a game of making educated guesses at what will most benefit our fish and continuing the techniques that give us positive results. What I love about us is our never ending curiosity and desire to do the best for our fish that we possibly can!

And, honestly, you should see my Egyptian hula jig. I'm getting quite good!
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:01 AM   #10
 
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If I do an Irish jig in front of my tank every day at 11:17am while wearing a hula skirt and singing "Walk Like An Egyptian" into a hairbrush,
I'd pay to see THAT!

Maybe you could post a YouTube video?
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