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Old 07-30-2008, 08:44 AM   #31
 
IC. Thanks for the info. When I talk to my cousin again I'll see about getting her tank. For now, I'll do the best I can with what I've got.

I feel decidedly out of my element with this whole fish thing. Ask me anything about dogs,from breeding to whelping, training, grooming etc, I can tell you, but fish, totally different ball game. On the plus side, no eye goopies, messes in the house, nails to trim, ear hair to pluck, shows to attend. lol

Anyway, it does seem to being going ok for now (tentatively speaking, crossing my fingers.) Both Molly and Berry (the strawbery tetra) seem to be doing great. Their' even playing together! Molly all of a sudden as a ton of energy, so I'm hoping this means that things have settled down in the tank and I'll just stay on top of the water.

I was reading up on self sustaining tanks. I think they would be cool. Not because there's no work (apparently there's a lot of it), but because it would be cool to see if I could do it. I do remeber the Grade 9 science Experiement of making an ecosystem. My Group was the only one to have everything in the tank remain alive for the semester long experiment! Not that I remeber how, but if it could be done on a slightly larger scale, that could be interesting.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:44 AM   #32
 
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I was reading up on self sustaining tanks. I think they would be cool. Not because there's no work (apparently there's a lot of it), but because it would be cool to see if I could do it. I do remeber the Grade 9 science Experiement of making an ecosystem. My Group was the only one to have everything in the tank remain alive for the semester long experiment! Not that I remeber how, but if it could be done on a slightly larger scale, that could be interesting.
Yay :D I'm so glad to hear that! Thats what kept me going when I first started fish. I was like "woah this is more complicated then I thought." But I found it really interesting, and I love that I have my own little ecosystem. Keeping fish is really cool, and I'm glad you decided to not give it!

There isn't to much work involved, mostly just weekly water changes (Once you have a bigger tank). Glad to hear Molly and Berry are feeling better too.

What kind of dogs do you own?? I've always been interested in showing dogs, I think it would be cool. I want to show great danes though :D It would be a task. Considering a great dane weighs more then me I could see that being a real drag.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:08 AM   #33
 
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I was reading up on self sustaining tanks. I think they would be cool. Not because there's no work (apparently there's a lot of it), but because it would be cool to see if I could do it. I do remeber the Grade 9 science Experiement of making an ecosystem. My Group was the only one to have everything in the tank remain alive for the semester long experiment! Not that I remeber how, but if it could be done on a slightly larger scale, that could be interesting.
Yay :D I'm so glad to hear that! Thats what kept me going when I first started fish. I was like "woah this is more complicated then I thought." But I found it really interesting, and I love that I have my own little ecosystem. Keeping fish is really cool, and I'm glad you decided to not give it!.
Is your ecosystem self sustaining (ish) or no? If so how did you do it? I'd like to give it a whirl. If I can get a smallish one to work (maybe 20G), than I could expand it to have groupings of both small and large fish (not extrememly large or anything a few inches or something). I just think it would be cool to have plants micro-organisims, small fish, bigger fish, that keep them selfs going. Just a like filter change here, water change there (you know things that nature does on it's own, that you can't really duplicate in a tank).

Either way I don't want to give up yet. Particularly when my fish seem to be doing better. I'm not sure if it's because they have friends, or because of the new filter or that the tank has cycled, but I'll take it.

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What kind of dogs do you own?? I've always been interested in showing dogs, I think it would be cool. I want to show great danes though :D It would be a task. Considering a great dane weighs more then me I could see that being a real drag.
I personally only have a Shih Tzu (at the moment). She's a fab little dog. I'm in college so I can't really have more than one at this point. I'm mentoring under a local breeder and have been able to breed several litters with/for her from breeding to whelping, rasing and homing the pups. I've even helped with a few show dogs, raising, training and showing them! It's all very cool. My goal is to own some acerage in the country where I can breed and show my own dogs. I'd like to expand it tho. I would like to add larger dogs to my home. I like Dalmations and Brittany's. But I'm not quite there yet.

As for Danes, they are amazing dogs! My aunt has 2 and my cousin has one. I know a few breeders as well and they're not difficult at all. You just need to train them right away. They tend to be couch potato type dogs, although they do need considerable exercise. If you start from an 8 week old pup and you train right away, you'll have not issues because they will know not to pull and how to behave BEFORE their size is an issue.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:53 AM   #34
 
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Is your ecosystem self sustaining (ish) or no? If so how did you do it? I'd like to give it a whirl. If I can get a smallish one to work (maybe 20G), than I could expand it to have groupings of both small and large fish (not extrememly large or anything a few inches or something). I just think it would be cool to have plants micro-organisims, small fish, bigger fish, that keep them selfs going. Just a like filter change here, water change there (you know things that nature does on it's own, that you can't really duplicate in a tank)..
Well, my tanks is as close to self sustaining at is will get, unless of course I bought a huge canister filter that over turned the water in my tank like 50 times an hour, then I would feel safe about not doing a water change for a few weeks. But as I do not run a huge filter on my tanks I do small weekly water changes, usually 25% water changes. I did this by cycling my tank. Have you looked into the nitrogen cycle yet? Really interesting stuff.

Ok, lets say you have a 20 gallon right? It will be much easier to maintain then your two gallon bowl, the bigger the better. The bigger your tank is the longer it takes for waste to build up. Also more places for your beneficial bacteria to establish. So you cycle this 20 gallon, I recommend a fishless cycle because it sounds like you wouldn't like your fish dying (really who would?) Your going to need a water testing kit to monitor your cycling process,Don't bother wasting time and money on test strips, they are inaccurate. Might as well do it right the first time and spend a little extra on a liquid test kit, such as APIs master kit with Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, and pH. So you set your 20 gal up and add your ammonia too it then turn the filter on and it does everything else by itself, just test daily. You'll have readings of ammonia, then you will start to get nitrite readings, then finally you will know your tanks safe and ready for fish when your test results read:
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 5-40pmm

Then you can begin to add fish! Slowly of course so you don't add to many fish for the bacteria to keep up with.

You can have plants if you like! plants are great, they look really nice and play a pretty big roll in your aquarium as they feed off nitrates. They may require a little extra care though, depending on the type of plants you want and the lighting you will have. The general rule for lighting in a planted aquarium is 3-5 watts per gallon. To be honest, I don't even have 3 watts per gallon, and I keep MANY plants in my tank. They don't do as well as they could, but I do add liquid fertilizers and that helps a lot. If you deicide to get serious about plants you could looking into a CO2 system too. I don't have one of those yet either, I'm looking into a DIY for it.

Basically once you have a bigger tank and it is cycled and you start to add your fish, unless you bring home a disease from the LFS the only maintenance you will have to do is say weekly, maybe if you have good filtration and not a heavy bio load, bi weekly water changes. And say once a month rinse your filter media in the tank water to give it a little clean. You should never have to clean your filter unless theres a lot of gunk build up and its effecting the filters performance. You filter is where most of your beneficial bacteria establishes itself, and giving it a scrub down could cause a mini cycle in your tank, and thats not good.

Also, when you get your new tank I recommend taking the Carbon out of your filter media, it's pretty much useless unless your using it to remove medications from the tank. Other then that, it just sucks up nutrients for your plants and has been known to cause hole in the head disease if left in for to long You can remove the carbon, by cutting a little but in the flossy side of the filter media and shaking the carbon out. Then you will have a reusable filter media!

Anyways, I hope that helps, and I hope I didn't miss anything. I'll add more later if I think of something I missed.

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As for Danes, they are amazing dogs! My aunt has 2 and my cousin has one. I know a few breeders as well and they're not difficult at all. You just need to train them right away. They tend to be couch potato type dogs, although they do need considerable exercise. If you start from an 8 week old pup and you train right away, you'll have not issues because they will know not to pull and how to behave BEFORE their size is an issue.
Awesome! I wouldn't mind breeding my greats danes if I was ever so lucky to be able to do so. Dalmatians are very nice dogs! I've heard they need a crazy amount of exercise, and I didn't even know what a Brittany was! Well I guess I know but I didn't know thats what they were called! Very nice dogs!

As for the danes, lol I've heard very promising things about them, as far as I know pretty much the biggest concern with them is to feed them with elevated food bowls, and avoid any kind of exercise for at least an hour after they eat. I was thinking about rescuing the danes. But I might get one from a breeder and that one be the one I show. I love the look of cropped ears, but I could never bring myself to do it. So I hope maybe a dane I rescue would have cropped ears, I wouldn't feel guilty that way Anyways I'm pretty sure this post is huge, and I should probably stop talking now :D Hah, good luck with your fish! I really hope you'll love your new hobby!
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:14 AM   #35
 
Well I went to the library to return some summer reading books and I think I took out their whole fish section! lol!

I figured maybe I should read up and get some ideas and plan things out a little better. So I have one called "The Perfect Aquarium", which helps you pick which kind of tank you want and then walks you through setting it up step by step. And I got a dozen books on types of fish, their habits etc. This way maybe I can find some colourful fish I like and then plan a tank to suit them, instead of hoping my fish live.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:26 AM   #36
 
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When I first started out, I spent a lot of time browsing websites that had fish profiles looking at fish I liked. I took mental notes of the particular fish I liked and then figured out which ones could live together. Then, as my collection of tanks has grown, I've been able to set up systems that work well with the fish I've wanted. This is a much better approach than just buying fish at the store that catch your eye and seeing how things go.

Here are a couple of sites I've used to get information about different fish:
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profile.html
http://www.aqualandpetsplus.com/

Those sites are great for browsing through different types of fish, but they aren't exactly complete resources. For example, the aqualand site comes from the perspective of a fish store, so they have limited experience with actually keeping some of those species in permanent tanks. This limits their information somewhat. Badman's site has better information but some of the comments about the species come from people who aren't really providing the best care for their fish or who haven't had the fish for very long.

However, after you get a bunch of ideas for what fish you'd like to have, I can't stress enough how useful this forum is for asking questions about them. Most of the time, several people will have kept the fish you're considering and can tell you a lot about the fish and their requirements. People who have been in the hobby for a long time will be able to tell you whether a certain mix of fish will work or not. So, read those books, look at some websites, and come up with all of the questions you need to ask. All of this research will absolutely pay off when you've got a great tank running with healthy, happy fish.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:44 AM   #37
 
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One more thing:

Since you're a dog person, I'm going to assume that you probably have at least some strong feelings about animal abuse. Though I don't know much about them, I like dogs, and it frustrates me to see dogs sold in pet stores that come from puppy mills and to see all of these silly crossbreeds getting sold to people just because of silly marketing schemes (like labradoodles and whatnot).

You probably didn't know this when you bought it, but that strawberry tetra of yours is actually a white skirt tetra that has been artificially dyed a pink color. Fish that have been dyed are known to have all kinds of associated health problems, and therefore many people in the aquarium industry tend to at least shy away from dyed fish as they regard the dyeing as unnecessarily cruel. For example, the British publication Practical Fishkeeping has had an ongoing campaign against the sale of dyed fish in the UK that has had a lot of success.

I'm not telling you how you should feel about the issue but rather informing you about it. Moral issues aside, you should be aware that the color will likely fade from your fish after a few months and that you may have to deal with health issues that an unpainted fish might not have had.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:22 AM   #38
 
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I was wondering that the heck a strawberry tetra was... I hate tattooed fish, its gross.

Lol I didn't realize you cared so much batman! :D I'm glad to hear that you are aware of what you are supporting when you buy dogs or cats from pet stores. Many people have no idea, like my sister who bought our cat from a pet store :( If she had of told me where she was going to get the cat I would have told her not to. But its to late and I love my cat very much so I guess I'll just have to live with it.

And remember, don't litter! Spay and neuter your pets :)

And adopt because every pet deserves a home :D
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:33 AM   #39
 
Thanks for all the feed back.

I'm reading these books with pen and paper, so I can write down questions, idea's etc. Maybe a setchy plan of what I'd like to do. I will definately post my questions.

I did not know that my tetra was dyed
I never would have bought her, if I knew. I think it's wrong. Their God given colours are good enough for me. I guess I"ll have to make better selections in the future. I would never buy a dog/cat from a pet store. If I want a puppy I'll go to an experienced, reputable breeder (one who's loved and coddled her pups since birth and is just as "pet poopsy" as me). If I'm up for the challenge of an older pet, I'll rescue. Also, I don't even buy food from pet stores that sell dogs and cats. PetSmart is the exception, but thats only because the cat's they have are rescues and the area is operated by the local SPCA.

Thanks for the imput and the eductaion
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:27 PM   #40
 
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im a rescue fan myself. i doubt ill ever own a pure bred dog or cat ever. not that i wouldnt like one but for the price some breeders charge i can get a dog that will make me just as happy and a few years worth of food for him :). just think of all the dog toys he could have for the 700$ you saved when you saved its life :).
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