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Old 06-03-2010, 10:51 PM   #11
 
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One trick would be going to your LFS (that sells potted plants from a cycled tank) and purchasing one of those. the plant will likely die BUT the media it is in will likely contain a good portion of bacteria that will take over.
Great idea I was thinking of that, but didnt know if it would work. Thanks alot I just may try that tomorrow. Are the plants tolerable of the ammonia, or is that what would prob kill it?
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:06 AM   #12
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Byron gives alot of info here although he does not say at what level could be considered bad for the plant. If nothing else you could just take the plant out of the pot and keep it in a separate container until you are done adding ammonia. Most the bacteria should be in the pot and the material inside the pot assuming its there at all?
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Byron gives alot of info here although he does not say at what level could be considered bad for the plant. If nothing else you could just take the plant out of the pot and keep it in a separate container until you are done adding ammonia. Most the bacteria should be in the pot and the material inside the pot assuming its there at all?
Another tip. LIE. Okay maybe not lie. But I know several places avoid putting water with the potted plants. Ask them to put a cup of water in the bag with it. Tell them it is a long drive and your AC is broken in your car. This should serve to protect as much of the BB as possible. With my smaller tanks that tend to spike in a huge way I've just dumped the contents of the pot into the tank and put the plant else where. If they use that foamy cotton like stuff, it turns almost powdery. Since you have no livestock to speak up, you may as well do that and allow the filter to do it's job. This will disburse much of the BB to the filter and some to the gravel.

If it's just rocks and that pillow stuffing stuff, I'd divide the stuffing to the filter and let the rocks go to the bottom.

As far as the plant. I say it will likely die because in the time it takes to establish a BB colony there will be limited amounts of nitrates and spikes of Nitrites that will both serve to damage it.

Another tip (from my own bad experience) if you do put the plant in, get something with giant broad leaves that are easy to manage. I used hornwort and months later I'm still vacuming the debris from the substrate.

Good luck.
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Old 06-08-2010, 02:36 PM   #14
 
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Another tip. LIE. Okay maybe not lie. But I know several places avoid putting water with the potted plants. Ask them to put a cup of water in the bag with it. Tell them it is a long drive and your AC is broken in your car. This should serve to protect as much of the BB as possible. With my smaller tanks that tend to spike in a huge way I've just dumped the contents of the pot into the tank and put the plant else where. If they use that foamy cotton like stuff, it turns almost powdery. Since you have no livestock to speak up, you may as well do that and allow the filter to do it's job. This will disburse much of the BB to the filter and some to the gravel.

If it's just rocks and that pillow stuffing stuff, I'd divide the stuffing to the filter and let the rocks go to the bottom.

As far as the plant. I say it will likely die because in the time it takes to establish a BB colony there will be limited amounts of nitrates and spikes of Nitrites that will both serve to damage it.

Another tip (from my own bad experience) if you do put the plant in, get something with giant broad leaves that are easy to manage. I used hornwort and months later I'm still vacuming the debris from the substrate.

Good luck.
Thanks for all the great advice. I was able to purchase some driftwood from an established tank and put it in my tank a week ago. I am four weeks into my cycle and still dont have any readings yet. I dont get it.
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Old 06-08-2010, 02:37 PM   #15
 
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Thanks for all the great advice. I was able to purchase some driftwood from an established tank and put it in my tank a week ago. I am four weeks into my cycle and still dont have any readings yet. I dont get it.
you might have to suck it up and put a fish in it.
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Old 06-08-2010, 02:44 PM   #16
 
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got any prawns in your freezer ?
put a couple in the tank,up the temperature and check water readings
in a couple of days.
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Old 06-08-2010, 05:08 PM   #17
 
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What size is this aquarium? If you are goiong to start buying plants, you might as well let the plants cycle the tank which they will do in less than one day with a fish or two. I can explain when I know your tank size, and what fish you plan (in total so I can suggest possible first ones) and if plants are in the plan.

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What size is this aquarium? If you are goiong to start buying plants, you might as well let the plants cycle the tank which they will do in less than one day with a fish or two. I can explain when I know your tank size, and what fish you plan (in total so I can suggest possible first ones) and if plants are in the plan.

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Hi my tank is a 29 gallon. I just am probably gonna put some tetras, maybe some neons, maybe a dwarf gourami and some cory's prob, and some shrimp. My ammonia is at about three ppm no other readings. I would like to add plants. Im doing some readning on them currently.

Willow what exactly are prawns? I have never heard of them. Thanks for the help guys! If I do want to add fish and cycle with them in, will have to drain my tank to get rid of the ammonia?
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Willow what exactly are prawns? I have never heard of them.
Shrimp, I believe its just another name for shrimp.
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Hi my tank is a 29 gallon. I just am probably gonna put some tetras, maybe some neons, maybe a dwarf gourami and some cory's prob, and some shrimp. My ammonia is at about three ppm no other readings. I would like to add plants. Im doing some readning on them currently.

Willow what exactly are prawns? I have never heard of them. Thanks for the help guys! If I do want to add fish and cycle with them in, will have to drain my tank to get rid of the ammonia?
If you intend a planted tank, the easiest and faster "cycling" is with the plants and fish. Plant the tank with the plants you want, and once it has a reasonable number, add a few of the fish you want. Small and fairly hardy fish are safest; I say this because while this method does not stress the fish like plant-less cycling does, there are some fish that are sensitive to fluctuating water conditons with respect to pH, hardness and the nitrogen cycle and they should only be added to established tanks. Corys I would not use at first, neons would work. Once planted, add the group of neons and the cycling will take care of itself the first day. Then add the other fish slowly. Provided you have enough plants, not just one or tow but planted, this works fine.

With respect to the "ammonia" you've been adding, yes, I would do a major water change to clear that out, fill the tank, use conditioner, plant it; then add the first few fish.

I have always set up new tanks this way; lots of plants, fish the first day--never ammonia or nitrite above zero.

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